Ten things Gentiles could not do in a Jewish Theocracy

December 31, 2009 by acriticalchristian1971

 

Taken from notes on Exodus written by Finis Jennings Dake

 

Page 112 Dakes annotated Reference Bible KJV

#1 Eat the Passover without being circumcised

Exodus 12:43-48

#2 Eat Temple food because it is Holy

Exodus 29:33, Leviticus 22:10-14

#3 Be anointed with the Temple Holy Oil

Exodus 30:33

#4 Take any part in or come near the Tabernacle to work

Num 1:51

#5 Have any part in the Priesthood

Num 3:10

Num 3:38

#6 Offer incense to God

Num 16:40

#7 Come near priests in their service

Num 18:4-7

#8 Be King over Israel

Deut 17:15

#9 Be exempt from paying interest

Deut 23:20

#10 Marry widows in Israel

Duet 25:5

“No Scripture in the Bible teaches that Gentile nations were under the law of Moses and were under obligations to obey the Ten commandments or any other detail of Moses law. The word stranger is used 68 times in that law and not once is it stated that they were equal with Israelites in having the law. God dealt with Gentiles under the old program of imputing sin to them through Adam and saving all who would obey the gospel or program of grace which was never part of the law. Gentiles were under the Noahic covenant but not the Mosaic covenant the fact that Gentiles had no part of with Israel in the law is confirmed many times in the New Testament.”

IF EG White was right why are the SDA Church around?

November 3, 2009 by acriticalchristian1971

Since she and her estate published the ‘The Great Controversy’ at least a hundred years ago her sect has continued its ways without her so called prophetic words being carried out by either the pagan world, Roman Catholics, or other Sunday keepers.

According to the book ‘The Great Controversy’

Chapter 36

The Impending Conflict

The last few passages of this chapter says:

“Those who honor the Bible Sabbath will be denounced as enemies of law and order, as breaking down the moral restraints of society, causing anarchy and corruption, and calling down the judgments of God upon the earth. Their conscientious scruples will be pronounced obstinacy, stubbornness, and contempt of authority. They will be accused of disaffection toward the government. Ministers who deny the obligation of the divine law will present from the pulpit the duty of yielding obedience to the civil authorities as ordained of God. In legislative halls and courts of justice, commandment keepers will be misrepresented and condemned. A false coloring will be given to their words; the worst construction will be put upon their motives.”

“As the Protestant churches reject the clear, Scriptural arguments in defense of God’s law, they will long to silence those whose faith they cannot overthrow by the Bible. Though they blind their own eyes to the fact, they are now adopting a course which will lead to the persecution of those who conscientiously refuse to do what the rest of the Christian world are doing, and acknowledge the claims of the papal sabbath. “

“The dignitaries of church and state will unite to bribe, persuade, or compel all classes to honor the Sunday. The lack of divine authority will be supplied by oppressive enactments. Political corruption is destroying love of justice and regard for truth; and even in free America, rulers and legislators, in order to secure public favor, will yield to the popular demand for a law enforcing Sunday observance. Liberty of conscience, which has cost so great a sacrifice, will no longer be respected. In the soon-coming conflict we shall see exemplified the prophet’s words: “The dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.” Revelation 12:17.”

http://www.greatcontroversy.org/books/gc/gc36.html

If she was a prophetess you’d think by now in the twenty first century her little group would have been destroyed supposedly by fellow Christians and Catholics. But the reality is that we Sunday Christians have no interest in helping them fulfill false prophecies. We as Christians who keep Sunday are more interested in debate and disproving EG Whites writings than the supposed future bloodshed she accuses us of even from her grave.

She says:

“Those who honor the Bible Sabbath will be denounced as enemies of law and order, as breaking down the moral restraints of society, causing anarchy and corruption, and calling down the judgments of God upon the earth.”

How is keeping a day of rest either Saturday or Sunday make one as a individual a enemy of law and order? After all mans laws are based off of the Ten Commandments found in Exodus 20:1-17. Yet our human laws have no particular day of Worship we are ORDERED to partake in. This philosophy made up by EG White after so many years is greatly flawed.

For EG White to be a correct prophetess she would have to guess that mankind would create laws against the Jewish Sabbath. Which of course would anger not just Sabbath keeping Christians, Messianic Christians but Jewish folk of all sects. Also for a law to be enforced such as that would indicate a great deal of Anti Semitism in the Government.

She continues her rant by saying:

“As the Protestant churches reject the clear, Scriptural arguments in defense of God’s law, they will long to silence those whose faith they cannot overthrow by the Bible. Though they blind their own eyes to the fact, they are now adopting a course which will lead to the persecution of those who conscientiously refuse to do what the rest of the Christian world are doing, and acknowledge the claims of the papal Sabbath. “

This ideology and theology is a assumption by Mrs. White. Where does the Scripture logically say that we as Christians and Gentiles are to follow Gods Ten Commandments? She seemingly doesn’t give adequate proofs of her beliefs there. I have continually read the various online claims, online articles and so forth of her followers and they barely can make any proofs from the New Testament. The New Testament is what a Christian follows not the old. We as Christians can study the OT and learn the lessons written therein but we should always remember that it is the history and story’s of the Jewish people.

To also complicate her false teaching is the lie that she created that the Roman Catholic church and Protestant Christians want to enforce a “Sunday Law” which would unfairly force all other religions to worship their particular god on Sunday. A completely idiotic idea for a local or Federal law.

Her further claims that she follows the Jesus of the Holy Bible and yet she doesn’t follow his words but her own wicked heart through the teachings of men around her.

Jesus fulfilled the Law of Moses according to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. If he had not we as his followers would have to keep the Law and its punishments.

The only way for the SDA organization to fulfill EG Whites writings is to become a organized dissident group like the “Branch Davidians” and commit crimes against the Federal laws and Government of the USA, Canada or Europe.

Then MAYBE a “Sunday Law” would be ordered by the US Gov and SDA or other Christian Sabbath keepers could be effected.

The differences between islams allah and Arab Christians Allah

September 28, 2009 by acriticalchristian1971

Would it surprise you that there are two allahs? For many muslims they would automatically assume I am committing ‘shirk’. But in reality I am speaking of the same word but two different concepts of the god of Islam vs the God of Christianity.

 

In the Arabic language there is only one way to say God and that is ‘allah’. Yet the concept of God or Ilah is quite different from each other.

 

This Arab Christian website tells us whom they serve:

 

http://www.arabicbible.com/about_us/faith.htm

 

 

“God”

 

“-We believe that there is only one true and living God who is omnipotent, omnipresent, invisible, eternal, omniscient, infinite, unchangeable, unsearchable, righteous, loving, Just, Holy, wise God who exists in three persons, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. (Triune God).”

“(Rev. 19:6, John 1:18, 1 John 3:20, Ps. 139:7-12, Rom 11:33,34, Deut 33:27, Deut 6:4, Acts 15:18, 2 Cor 13:14, Matt 28:19)”

 

“The Father “

 

“-We believe the Father is the first person of the Triune God who is sovereign over all things and who is above all. He is the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ and the spiritual Father of all those who believe on His son.”

“(I Cor 8:6, Eph 1:5, Jn 20:17)”

 

“ The Son”

 

“-We believe that Jesus Christ is the second person of the triune God who is equal with the Father and Holy Spirit. He was made flesh, was conceived by the Holy Ghost from a virgin and lived a sinless life that always was pleasing to the Father. He came to give His life a ransom for many as He died on a cross for the sins of the whole world was buried rose again from the dead on the third day and ascended to the Father. He is seated on the right side of the Father interceding for us. He is the Head of the church and one day is coming to remove the church from this world. He will come to establish His millennial reign and at the end of His thousand year reign will judge the lost of all ages at the great white throne judgment where every knee shall bow.”

“(Jn 1;14, Matt 1;18-23, II Cor 5:21, Jn 11:25, Phil 2:5-8 Acts 1:9-11 Rev 20)”

 

“The Holy Spirit”

 

“-We believe the Holy Spirit is the third Person of the triune God who convicts of sin and delivers from the power of sin. He baptizes believers into the body of Christ and indwells from the moment of salvation and leads those who believe. The Holy Spirit fills believers, empowers them and bears fruit through them for the glory of God.”

“(Rom 8:2,14,16, 26-27, Jn 16:7, Eph 5:18, Gal 5:22)”

 

 

The muslim concept of allah is quite different:

 

“Allah, the One Only:”

 

“1. “Proclaim: Allah is One. Allah is Eternal. He neither begets nor was begotten.” (112:1-4)”

 

“2. “Nothing is like unto Him.” (42:11)”

 

“3. “If there were therein Gods besides Allah, then verily both (the heavens and the earth) would have collapsed into disorder and chaos. Glorified be Allah, the Lord of the Throne, transcendent beyond all they ascribe unto Him.” (21:22)”

 

“4. “Sight can never reach Him; His sight reaches all things.” (6:103)”

 

“5. “And proclaim: Praise be to Allah, Who has not taken unto Himself a son, and Who has no partner in the Sovereignty, nor has He (need for) any protecting friend through dependence. (17:111)”

 

“6. “Allah! There is no God save Him.” (3:2, 2:255)”

 

“7. “Is there any God beside Allah? Nay, but they are folk who ascribe equals (unto Him)! (27:60). “

 

“8. “Is there any God beside Allah? Nay, but most of them know not.” (27:61)”

 

 

http://www.islamawareness.net/Allah/allah.html

 

 

As we have seen… if the Islamic allah is:

 

One god

Has no son

Is invisible

Is Indescribable

 

Etc

 

Then it is obvious that Islams allah is unrelated to the God of the Bible.

 

To conclude…

 

Muslims who claim to worship the Biblical God whom their unfortunate language calls Allah are not doing so but lying and their own theology and doctrines easily demonstrate that fact. Also the actions of muslim criminals and mujahedeen also demonstrate that their attacks and bloodshed show that jihad is not from God but the enemy.

For those Christian Sabbath keepers Nitpicking Worship days

August 28, 2009 by acriticalchristian1971

 

In the messy world of debating which day to worship God on between Christian Sabbath keepers or Sunday keepers. Information can be a double edged sword. Here are a few articles that cast some interesting doubt for those who insist on keeping the Sabbath as Christians.

 

 

“Saturday”

 

 

“Saturday is the only day of the week that retained its Roman origins in the wake of the English invasions of the Angles and Saxons. This may have been because there was no Norse God to roughly correspond to the Roman God of Time and the Harvest, Saturn. The Anglo-Saxons simply adapted the Roman, “dies saturni”, making it saterdaeg.”

 

“Besides his ownership of a day of the week, Saturn presided over a Roman festival known as Saturnalia. It was a celebration of the harvest, but it was also a time when life was turned on its head. Crimes committed on these days often were not punished; masters frequently waited on their servants; and revelry was taken to excess.”

 

“Saturday is the seventh day of the week and as such was the day upon which the Hebrew God commanded his people to rest. Through to our modern age Jews keep Saturday holy as the Sabbath – quite a contrast to Roman practices.”

 

“Saturdays are a popular day for weddings in Christian cultures because it is typically a day free from work, and it precedes another day of rest – Sunday. (In Moslem countries – for a similar reason – Thursdays are a preferred day for weddings.)”

 

“Before the advent of the 5 day work week (which began to come into vogue in the early 1900s) Saturday was much like Friday, in that it was the final workday before the day of rest. It is interesting to note that before the last few generations the long work week was standard and endured without complaint from most workers. In our own time the 5 day work week is often depicted as long and difficult.”

 

“As the centuries pass conditions shall change the nature of these days of the week. Already, the strict notions of appropriate behavior upon the Sabbath have changed. The idea of Monday holidays to create 3-day weekends is a relatively new invention. What change shall come next to vary our own perspective of the endless cycle of the week?”

 

 

 

http://www.indepthinfo.com/weekdays/saturday.shtml

 

 

And to be fair information on:

 

 “Sunday”

 

 

“The first day of the week is Sunday. For most Christian denominations this day is considered a holy day, due to the fact that Christ was reported to have risen from the dead on a Sunday. For this reason, since ancient times, it has been designated a “day of rest” mainly for the purpose of contemplation and worship. (The actual last day of the week when God rested after creating the universe was Saturday.)”

 

“Yet the name of Sunday has nothing to do with Christianity, but everything to do with even more ancient religions. The ancient Greeks knew that the sun was the source of life on the planet and they gave it prime importance in their thinking. When the Romans later adopted the seven day week they emphasize their respect for the sun by naming the first day of the week for it…”dies solis”…”day of the sun”.”

 

“The actual word “Sunday” is derived from the German word “Sonntag” (and they likely got it from the Scandanavians). These folk too placed a great deal of importance on the sun. Some tribes of these Germanic peoples invaded England in the 500’s or so. They were known as the Angles and the Saxons. The old English work was “sunnandaeg” and it changed over time to become our current, “Sunday”.

 

“There are several holidays that are traditionally held on Sunday. Mother’s Day (second Sunday in May) and Father’s Day (third Sunday in June) began to be celebrated rather recently, 1914 and 1924 respectively. Easter is an ancient holiday that was officially designated by the Church in the year 325. Its position on the calendar has confused lay people for centuries. The date of Easter is calculated by taking the first Sunday after the first full moon on or after the 21st of March.

 

 

http://www.indepthinfo.com/weekdays/sunday.shtml

 

As we have read… both Saturday and Sunday can be linked to the worship of pagan gods.

 

According to the various Christian Sabbath keepers online if only Sunday was used as a day to worship Roman or other pagan gods but not Saturday Sabbath then their writings, articles, books could be considered truthful. However since it appears that pagan gods were worshipped all week long we Christians can consider ourselves in the following light.

 

 

#1 We are all WRONG on pushing ANY agendas to force other Christians to change a particular day of Worship.

 

 

#2 Both Saturday and Sunday can be considered abominable to God because of PAST transgressions involving old pagan gods.

 

 

#3 ANY excuse that one day is better than another in the debate over which day to worship God on is in reality pointless because of the information provide herein.

 

 

#4 Jesus death on the cross and Resurrection from the grave wiped out ANY pagan powers regarding daily worship and the satanic powers behind Roman, Greek or other pagan gods. This means that it is up to individual Christians, or Family’s, Churches etc to decide on which day to Worship our Triune God and to Praise him for his utter Victory over the many pagan gods of ancient times.

 

I can’t and won’t attempt to speak for other Christians but for myself and my family I am glad to Worship my Creator, his Son and the Holy Spirit on Sunday or even Saturday Sabbath.

 

 

Further information on the worship of pagan gods through out the week see:

 

 

http://www.indepthinfo.com/weekdays/sunday.shtml

 

http://www.indepthinfo.com/weekdays/monday.shtml

 

http://www.indepthinfo.com/weekdays/tuesday.shtml

 

http://www.indepthinfo.com/weekdays/wednesday.shtml

 

http://www.indepthinfo.com/weekdays/thursday.shtml

 

http://www.indepthinfo.com/weekdays/friday.shtml

 

http://www.indepthinfo.com/weekdays/saturday.shtml

The PROBLEM with following the Ten Commandments in Christianity

August 21, 2009 by acriticalchristian1971

 

This is my amateur reminder to those SDA / Commandments keepers on what they must do to those who break the Ten Commandments. This goes for both Christians, Jews and non believers. These punishments as recorded in the Old Testament Scriptures are a horrifying warning of mans inhumanity to towards both believers and non believers.

 

 

The Ten Commandments are listed as:

 

 

Exodus 20:1-17

 

Deuteronomy 5:1-22

 

Exodus 34:1-35

 

 

Lets list the Ten Commandments and their PUNISHMENTS:

 

 

No other Gods before me Exodus 20:3:

 

 

Deuteronomy 17:1-5

 

Deuteronomy 13:1-18

 

Exodus 22:20

 

 

You shall not make for yourself a carved image Exodus 20:4:

 

 

Deuteronomy 7:25

 

Deuteronomy 27:15

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain. Exodus 20:7

 

 

Lev 24:10-23

 

 

Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy Exodus 20:8

 

 

Exodus 31:12-18

 

Lev 23:1-44

 

Numbers 15:32-41

 

 

Honor your father and your mother Exodus 20:12

 

 

Ex 21:15-17

 

Lev 20:9

 

 

You shall not murder. Exodus 20:13

 

 

Exodus 21:14

 

Deut 19:10-13

 

You shall not commit adultery. Exodus 20:14

 

 

Ex 22: 16-17

 

Lev 19:20

 

Lev 20:10-21

 

Deut 22:13-30

 

Deuteronomy 27:20-23

 

 

You shall not steal. Exodus 20:15

 

 

Exodus 22:1-11

 

 

You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. Exodus 20:16

 

 

Ex 23:1

 

Lev 18:29

 

Deut 19:17-19

 

You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.” Exodus 20:17

 

Evil desire or lust. is known as Covetousness. The problem is what is its punishment?

 

I cant find one.

 

I suppose we could hypothetically could use any of the other punishments…

 

 

When we look at the definition of Covet we find:

 

Main Entry: cov·et

Pronunciation: \ˈkə-vət\

Function: verb

Etymology: Middle English coveiten, from Anglo-French coveiter, from Vulgar Latin *cupidietare, from Latin cupiditat-, cupiditas desire, from cupidus desirous, from cupere to desire

Date: 14th century

transitive verb

 

 1 : to wish for earnestly <covet an award>

2 : to desire (what belongs to another) inordinately or culpably

 

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/covet

 

What other Christians say about Covertousness:

 

THE DEFINITION OF COVET

Originally Aired On:  Thursday, January 06, 2005

 

http://www.rbc.org/radio-tv/discover-the-word/2005/01/06/program.aspx

 

These are similar posts by two atheist authors who highlight a similar argument. However they don’t finish the entirety of the Ten Commandments.

 

Obey Thy Ten Commandments, Or Else

 

http://www.evilbible.com/ten_commandments.htm

 

Follow The Commandments Or Else!

 

http://therantsoflogic.homestead.com/punishments.html

 

And of course what God did to those ancient Israelites for their sins against him.

 

Gods Punishments for disobedience:

 

Leviticus 26:14-39

 

In conclusion:

 

If SDA Christians continue in this delusion that they must keep the original commandments without Grace they can expect no mercy from God. Because everyone can read what God did to the peoples of Moses for 40 years how much more can God do to those choosing to reject Christ and go back to the old Covenant.

 

Galatians 2:16-21

 

If SDA Christians (A term I use loosely) actually used the punishments Moses used on those Commandment breakers they would no longer be considered to be part of the Christian church but a murderous cult. Something to consider….

Jesus commanded which day?

August 20, 2009 by acriticalchristian1971

 

Jesus as a Jew followed his community and went to Synagogue on Saturday. Yet did Jesus command his future Gentile followers to keep Saturday Sabbath?

 

The answers seems to be no.

 

Let’s list out of the four Gospels the times Jesus went to Synagogue for Sabbath…

 

Matthew 12:1-14

 

Mark 2:23-28

 

Luke 6:5-11

 

Luke 13:10-17

 

Luke 14:1-6

 

John 5:1-18

 

Notice WHY the Jewish leaders wanted to kill him? He healed on Sabbath. Jesus didn’t break Sabbath he broke the traditions involved with it.

 

 

Jesus himself gave us the most important of the Ten Commandments here is the list:

 

Matthew 22:33-40

 

Mark 12:28-34

 

Luke 10:25-28

 

Notice the Sabbath isn’t included in them. So that begs a question… If Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath and he is the whole reason for Christianity to exist. EG White and other Sabbath teachers claiming to be Christian are deceived.

 

In all four Gospels there are still no Commands for Gentiles to keep Sabbath. Hypothetically we can assume that we are to pick a day either Sabbath or Sunday.

What is behind the drive and debate between Christian Sabbath Keepers and Sunday Keepers:

August 17, 2009 by acriticalchristian1971

 

Which day to choose…? Either…

 

 

As mentioned here frequently I argue with Christian Sabbath keepers about which day to follow.

 

 

The debate points on both sides is based off of:

 

Human teachers

Personal opinion

Life experience

And Personal Bible interpretation

 

 

The above list is in no way complete. There are probably various other reasons for Christian people to argue worship days. Basing their conclusions off of various Scriptures.

 

Yet are we missing a particular point?

 

As modern Seventh Day Adventists assert “There is no Scriptural Command or Scriptural basis to keep Sunday. Saturday Sabbath is Gods chosen day.” Most Christians who read and study their Bible can conclude that Saturday is indeed Sabbath. BUT Jesus was resurrected on Sunday or so tradition says.

 

Yet at the same time I have concluded in my own amateur investigations of the Holy Bible that there is no Scriptural Command or Scriptural basis for Gentile Christians (Such as myself) to keep the Jewish Sabbath.

 

Acts 15:1-31 gives we Gentiles guidelines about living the Christian faith.

 

In my blog I have shared a portion of my personal history between going to Church on either Saturday Sabbath or Sunday. I personally have attended and been part of congregations of fellow Christians either Saturday Sabbath or Sunday.

 

In both (Pentecostal) congregations we were taught the Word, Prayed for our fellows and others, asked for healing for our sick or for others, spoke in tongues, Worshipped Father Son and Holy Spirit, fellowshipped and enjoyed our group time with God.

 

So what is my point?

 

“Matthew 19:26 (King James Version)”

 

“ 26But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.”

 

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=47&chapter=19&verse=26&version=9&context=verse

 

Since God is all powerful and according to tradition the Law of Moses was fulfilled by Christ according to Matthew 5:17. Then hypothetically God is ok with his followers keeping Saturday Sabbath or Sunday.

 

To Conclude:

 

There is nothing in the Holy Bible directed for the Gentiles to keep Saturday Sabbath. Particularly in the New Testament. Anything else from Sabbath keepers is opinion and hearsay.

 

After all why would God cloud his word when he clearly wants both groups of people Jew and Gentile to obtain salvation and join him in Heaven

A Simple challenge to Seventh Day Adventists

August 12, 2009 by acriticalchristian1971

 

Many a SDA member have issued challenges in the past several years trying to get ‘Sunday Keepers’ to disprove their theological theory that we Gentiles are to keep Saturday Sabbath.

 

So just for fun here is my challenge for anyone in the Seventh Day Adventist Church, Organization to prove to me a simple ‘Sunday Keeper’ that Jesus COMMANDED the Gentile Church to keep Saturday Sabbath.

 

There is no reward other than to prove EG Whites theories correct…

 

 

RULES:

 

#1 You MUST be able to quote from the Four Gospels any Commandment Christ gave Gentile believers to keep Saturday Sabbath.

 

You are welcome to use:

 

Matthew

 

Mark

 

Luke

 

John

 

And just for fun lets throw in Acts.

 

 

Again the main RULE:

 

You must be able to PROVE thru Scripture that Jesus COMMANDED the Gentiles to keep Sabbath.

 

Its not really that hard to do. After all the Holy Scriptures say:

 

2 Timothy 3:16 (King James Version)

 

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

 

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Timothy%203:16&version=9

 

 

So… Reprove me if you can.

My reply to legalism by Richard rives

August 6, 2009 by acriticalchristian1971

 

He states in this article:

 

 

“Many would view the subject matter which we have discussed as legalism.”

 

“The dictionary defines legalism as: “strict, literal adherence to the law, or to a particular code, as of religion or morality.” Quote: “Legalism relates to principals of right and wrong behavior.”

 

“The question arises: Is being categorized as legalistic an insult or a compliment?”

 

“It should be noted that the word legalism or legalistic is not found in the Bible, however, its moral synonyms are: – - honorable, chaste, pure, virtuous, just, honest and righteous. In fact, they are mentioned over 500 times. Could it be that use of the word legalistic is an attempt to avoid dealing with these important Biblical issues?”

 

“Can we know for sure what is right and wrong? Is there absolute truth, a dependable value system? Should believers be adherents to the moral values of the Bible, or should every man do that which is right in his own eyes?”

 

“The Bible records that throughout history the will of God has been revealed to His people: “Nevertheless they were disobedient, and rebelled against thee, and cast thy law behind their backs, and slew thy prophets which testified against them to turn them to thee,”

 

“The results: “…they wrought great provocations.”

 

“The Bible says that in the last days there will be false prophets and those who have a form of godliness, yet they are “lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God.”

 

“Jesus said: “If you love me keep my commandments.”

 

“Many who use the term “legalistic” as an attempt to discredit those who want to follow God’s instructions, label them as being self-righteous. Let me say now: “It is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:”

 

“Being accused of obedience to God is definitely a compliment. The next time someone says that you, a believer in Christ, keeping God’s commandments, are being legalistic: The best response would be to simply say, “Thank You” Why? Because they are calling you a saint!”

 

“Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.”

 

“These segments are excerpted from the book, “Too Long in the Sun”.

 

 

http://www.toolong.com/pages/legalism.htm

 

Just how is being a legalist or involved in legalism a good route to having a relationship to God?

 

 

The definition of legalism is:

 

le·gal·ism

Pronunciation:\ˈlē-gə-ˌli-zəm\

Function:noun

Date:1928

 

1 : strict, literal, or excessive conformity to the law or to a religious or moral code <the institutionalized legalism that restricts free choice>

 

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/legalism

 

At least he had the definition correct in his article.

 

Yet does his theory stand up to the writings of Paul in the following passages of Romans?

 

Romans 2:1-5

 

Romans 2:11-24

 

Romans 3:19-31

 

Romans 5:1-11

 

Romans 7:1-25

 

Romans 8:1-11

 

Romans10:4-6

 

Romans 13:8-10

 

 

He is right about Jesus saying “If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.” But is incorrect about meaning the Ten commandments.

 

See here:

 

Jesus said, “keep My commandments” NOT the Ten commandments!

 

http://www.bible.ca/7-keep-command.htm

 

 

And just how Saintly does one get following the 10 commandments without Christ anyway? After all it appears to me that people like him don’t believe in Gods Grace.

 

 

When we read about Personal Holiness online we find various links.

 

http://www.geocities.com/santosh_b/My_Articles/Kirkspire_1993_1994/04_Personal_holiness.html

 

 

http://gracegems.org/Pink2/personal_holiness.htm

 

  

If personal Holiness is less about following the 10 Commandments but making choices to avoid whatever personal sins that infect us and cause us as a individual Christian problems then Rives desire to follow ancient laws is quite wrong.

 

His ideas on legalism can be answered better by Paul in the book of Galatians.

 

Galatians 1:8-9

 

Galatians 2:16-21

 

Galatians 3:1-14

 

Galatians 3:18-21

 

Galatians 5:4

 

Galatians 5:13-18

 

So in trying to follow the old laws and yet neglecting the very Grace of God and Jesus Christ makes me wonder. Are people like Rives trying to gain Heavens favor by works? Or something else.

 

Is Rives and his like… following Jesus Christ in the Holy Bible? Or are they following weird writings like this.

  

Who-Is-Michael-The-Archangel? 

by Doug Batchelor

Copyright © 2002 

 

http://www.amazingfacts.org/FreeStuff/OnlineLibrary/tabid/106/ctl/ViewMedia/mid/447/IID/77/LNG/en/SC/R/Default.aspx?7=Who-Is-Michael-The-Archangel?

 

It seems to me Rives isn’t working for Christ but for another gospel and for that he must turn out of his foolishness or fall into worse sins.

Beverly GiesBrecht’s mistakes about leaving Christianity

August 6, 2009 by acriticalchristian1971

 

I recognize that her writings are quite old or dated but I fell that as a Christian she needs to be corrected because of what she has publically posted on her website.

 

In her ‘testimony’ about converting to Islam from her liberal or secular life and her seemingly weak faith in Christianity she says in the following paragraphs:

 

 

“In my discussions with Muslims about Christianity they seem to think that Christians do nothing other than go to church on Sunday and then live like pagans the rest of the week. While surely a large percentage do, there is a trend in the Christian church to return to the fundamentals of the Bible and there are a percentage of Christians who are very dedicated to their faith. I was lucky enough to meet and be baptized by Dr. Charles Stanley, the founder of In Touch Ministries in Atlanta Georgia and a serious Christian who taught me how to embrace and live my faith. I studied the Bible intensely and spent long periods of time in prayer every day, I listened to tapes and lectures and worked every aspect of my religion. This had a tremendous effect on my life – my rough edges began to mellow, I championed a variety of humanitarian and church causes and I abandoned the cut throat business of magazine publishing to establish a new development company based on Christian principles. I learned the power of forgiveness, I knew there was a God who was active in my life and I knew that the purpose of life was to serve Him.”

 

“Things went along pretty well for the first few years but then I hit what was described as a “dry spell”. As most know, Christians believe in the Trinity; God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. The Trinity is one of those things in Christianity that no one can explain; that merely has to be embraced on faith. I didn’t have a huge problem with that but I had still had sin in my life at times and I couldn’t understand why. I loved God and I wanted to please Him, so why was I powerless over sin? I consulted a variety of learned individuals and the answer was always the same “you need the power of the Holy Spirit in your life” and they would pack me on my way with some advice how to do that. It didn’t matter how much I prayed, fasted, begged or cried, I simply could not attain this “power of the Holy Spirit” but I still believed that this was something I would ultimately overcome.”

 

“I was still approaching my queries into Islam from a journalistic point of view when I read an English translation of the Qur’an. Having read the Torah and studied the Bible, I can tell you that the Qur’an is no ordinary book. I had no idea that Muslims believed in the Prophets, Jesus, and the Day of Judgment. The more I learned, the more interested I was. What first impressed me was the completeness of this religion. Islam brought the whole picture together. I also was impressed at how tolerant, fair and just the principles laid out by the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) were. There was still one big problem as far as I was concerned and that was Christ, the Savior. Over a two week period, I research this whole matter extensively and it became very apparent that Christ could not be God and that God can not, by His very nature, have partners. No wonder I couldn’t get the power of the Holy Spirit – there isn’t one! If Christ is not God, this invalidates the entire Christian religion. The question then became what I was going to do about it.”

 

http://www.jihadunspun.com/articles/20030911-ashes.to.light/ashes2light05.html

 

 

“It is a very difficult thing to change one’s religion – the very truth that one’s belief system is founded on. I was a serious believer and I had had some results with Christianity. By this time it was April, 2002 and JUS was several weeks past its original debut date but close to launch and I was now faced with a faith dilemma. I initially wanted to delay doing anything about Islam until after the launch but I couldn’t. I have searched for truth all my life and I had just been presented with a profound one. I could back up the proven claim that God had no partners because of his direct intervention into my life years earlier, long before I embraced Christianity. It had also been proven to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that Christ could not be God. I knew that God was Allah because of a host of proofs including the early translations of the Bible. I believed that Mohammed (PBUH) was indeed a messenger of God because of the completeness of the Qur’an and because his message mirrored the same message of the previous Prophets. And with that I knew there was no decision to be made – I had already made it.”

 

 

http://www.jihadunspun.com/articles/20030911-ashes.to.light/ashes2light06.html

 

It should be obvious to most who research Islam that she fell for the most obnoxious propaganda that muslims can make and sell. She doesn’t mention which Islamic websites she visited to ‘research’ the supposed claims of islam and Muhammad but it is quite clear she got ‘suckered’ too easily.

 

Lets consider her mistakes:

 

 

Mistake #1

 

She allowed a ‘dry spell’ to mess up her faith. When we Christians go through dry spells we should always talk with friends. Study the Holy Bible not merely by Faith but the peoples, places and themes. She also made a fatal mistake. She thought that she could get free of her sins simply by works. She should have realized that without Faith in Jesus and the help and knowledge of fellow Christians she would never be freed from her varied sins.

 

 

Mistake #2

 

She researched islam from the stance of a liberal or secular journalistic approach that of course reinforced the lies that Islam is SUPPOSED to be a new revelation and that allah is the same God as Jews of Christians.

 

In this paragraph:

 

What first impressed me was the completeness of this religion. Islam brought the whole picture together. I also was impressed at how tolerant, fair and just the principles laid out by the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) were.”

 

How is muhammads many marriages, attacks on caravans and the various battles against the many tribes of Arabia make him fair or tolerant?

 

I suspect she didn’t read the history’s of muhammads deeds in the hadiths much.

 

Also she avoided websites like this:

 

http://www.historyofjihad.org/

 

Maybe the above website would have helped her ask pointed questions about Muhammad’s actions towards the many peoples surrounding Arabia during his life.

 

 

Mistake #3

 

She says: “Over a two week period, I research this whole matter extensively and it became very apparent that Christ could not be God and that God can not, by His very nature, have partners. No wonder I couldn’t get the power of the Holy Spirit – there isn’t one! If Christ is not God, this invalidates the entire Christian religion. The question then became what I was going to do about it.”

 

She only took two weeks to ‘study’ and assumed that the Jesus of Islam (Isa) is the same Jesus of the Holy Bible? When I read and re-read the quran I knew for a fact that the story’s about Jesus in the quran were faked.

 

And where did she get her information? She must have been able to read about Islam from a Christian perspective. I suspect she didn’t want to read what Christians think of Islam she only wanted to stick with the Islamic propaganda that she read.

 

She should could have read from websites like:

 

http://www.answering-islam.org

 

http://www.islamreview.com/

 

http://www.abrahamic-faith.com/

 

And many more that could have taught her than many differences between Islamism and Christianity. But instead she made her choice…

 

 

Mistake #4

 

She assumes God and allah are the same deity…

She assumes Isa the Islamic Jesus and Jesus the Christ are the same…

Since we Christians believe in a Triune God it is obvious that it is not the singular allah…

 

Allah originally started out as a Arabian God that was worshipped by Arabian pagans. I can verify this information here:

 

Allah

 

http://inthenameofallah.org/Allah.html

 

 

ALLAH, HIS HERITAGE FROM PAGAN GODS

Article rescued from extinction from the Web

 

http://www.blessedquietness.com/alhaj/allah_heritage_sumer_elohim.htm

 

 

Was Allah The Moon God of Ancient Arab Pagan?

By Syed Kamran Mirza

  

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/skm30804.htm

 

 

The pre-Islamic origin of “Allah”

 

http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-allah-pre-islamic-origin.htm

 

 

Mistake #5

 

I believed that Mohammed (PBUH) was indeed a messenger of God because of the completeness of the Qur’an and because his message mirrored the same message of the previous Prophets.”

 

She again fell for more propaganda. Where in the quran did Muhammad have a message for the Israeli Jews? No my friends he spoke mostly to the inhabitances of Arabia not Israel. His message had nothing to do with the Prophets of the Torah

 

In Conclusion:

 

Ms GiesBrecht made the choice of following a deity that is enemy of Christians, Jews, Hindus and all other meaningful religious faiths of our shared world. She chose to back mujahedeen muslims who desire a world controlled by themselves and their Sharia laws.

 

I find that many Western converts to islam follow a similar pattern.

 

They reject Christianity usually in regards of its teachings, Theology, Doctrines.

 

The sympathize with muslims who are SUPPOSEDLY being mistreated by Western Governments but in reality these same muslims are under the control of varied mujahedeen groups and are abusing them.

 

They have a self hatred of Western culture and its varied systems.

 

Ms GiesBrecht and the many other Westerners who have accept the lies, lifestyle and differences of Islamism will have to live with their decisions and the biased views of both muslims and non muslims. Ms GiesBrecht will live a lifestyle alien to most Westerners and with her choice of accepting the views of the Mujahedeen Muslims she now must accept the responsibility for any criminal wrong doing she is supporting both online and in the many countries the muslim jihadists attack in order to bring about of their Ummah.