My reply to muslim propaganda “Biblical God Orders The Rape of Women” By Bassam Zawadi

His propaganda article lies here:

http://www.load-islam.com/artical_det.php?artical_id=742&section=memberbase&subsection=myarticle

Here is a typical attack by muslims about God commanding  rape of women  in the Holy Bible.

Other articles written by muslims  in the same vein are:

“Biblical God Orders The Rape of Women” By Bassam Zawadi (different website)

http://muslim-responses.com/Biblical_God_Orders_Rape/Biblical_God_Orders_Rape_

“Haughty women are punished in the Bible with rape !”

written by Kevin Abdullah Karim

http://islamic-answers.com/haughty_women_are_punished_in_the_bible_with_rape___

“More rape in the Hebrew Bible ?”

http://islamic-answers.com/more_rape_in_the_hebrew_bible__

Why do muslims write propaganda like this? It’s really simple… to hide their own sins in their religion / Theocratic system of course… They want to try to put islam in a positive light by blasting God and Christians (OR Jews) about rape but what they are really doing is trying to put blame on Christians or other religions for a vile criminal act that is not merely in the West but in all Countries and societies. Rape is a crime and has nothing to do with Christianity. And they cannot disprove that fact.

Although there are multiple muslim articles I could try to respond to I will simply deal with the above one I have mentioned above.

He sites the following Scriptures and also uses various translations for some odd reason.

“Isaiah 13:16”

“Zechariah 14:2”

And then tries to justify his propaganda by saying:

“Bible commentator John Gill says…”

“Verse 16. Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes,…. Upon the ground, or against the wall, as was foretold should be, Psalm 137:8 and in way of retaliation for what they did to the Jews, 2 Chronicles 36:17 and this was to be done “before their eyes,” in the sight of the inhabitants, which must make it the more distressing and afflicting; and, as Kimchi observes, this phrase is to be applied to the following clauses:”

“their houses shall be spoiled; plundered of the substance, wealth, and riches in them, by the Persian soldiers:”

“and their wives ravished; by the same, and both before their eyes, and after that slain, in like manner as they had ravished the women in Zion, Lamentations 5:11. (John Gill’s Exposition to the Bible, Commentary on Isaiah 13:16, Source)”

“So basically the rape of the women is justified because their women were raped back in Zion. So this is revenge and is justifiable according to the Bible. Unlike Islam that would only hold the rapist accountable…”

“Sunan Abu Dawud”

“Book 38, Number 4366: “

“Narrated Wa’il ibn Hujr:”

“When a woman went out in the time of the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) for prayer, a man attacked her and overpowered (raped) her.”

“She shouted and he went off, and when a man came by, she said: That (man) did such and such to me. And when a company of the Emigrants came by, she said: That man did such and such to me. They went and seized the man whom they thought had had intercourse with her and brought him to her.”

“She said: Yes, this is he. Then they brought him to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him).”

“When he (the Prophet) was about to pass sentence, the man who (actually) had assaulted her stood up and said: Apostle of Allah, I am the man who did it to her.”

“He (the Prophet) said to her: Go away, for Allah has forgiven you. But he told the man some good words (AbuDawud said: meaning the man who was seized), and of the man who had had intercourse with her, he said: Stone him to death.”

“He also said: He has repented to such an extent that if the people of Medina had repented similarly, it would have been accepted from them.”

“As we can see the man who raped the girl was punished. The Prophet (PBUH) didn’t order for his daughter to be found so that the father’s victim could rape her as well.”

“In Islam we see justice, unlike in the Bible.”

So in order to supposedly ‘justify’ islam he tries to use only these two scriptures with the horrid assumption that God is allowing rape?

Lets look at his ‘proofs’.

“Isaiah 13:16”

The book of Isaiah is a series of Prophecies not only for Israel but for many other nations Israel had to deal with in the ancient times.

Isaiah 13:1-22 Babylon to be destroyed.

(Page 1099 The Holy Bible KJV Version World Bible Publishers Iowa Falls, Iowa)

Anyone who studies Biblical history knows that Babylon in Iraq has never been reconstructed as a city to be lived in. The offensive words that the muslim recorded was not a commandment like out of the Ten commandments but a prophecy that came true. To blame God for the choices of the ancient soldiers is a foolish and shows how little Zawadi thinks of non muslim religions.

How is it unsurprising for the ancient Jews to want revenge against those non Jewish nations who destroyed their community, homes, murdered their men, raped their women and left them destitute and mostly destroyed? Muslims too have a long history of killing Jews and committing the same vile deeds as the Babylonians, Hittites and others.

Lets move on to:

“Zechariah 14:2”

(Page 1457 The Holy Bible KJV Version World Bible Publishers Iowa Falls, Iowa)

The book of Zechariah is a series of prophetic visions. Some prophecies have been fulfilled and others are to be fulfilled.

Zechariah 14:1-21

Talks about the Messiah (Jesus) saving future Jerusalem from many nations. These nations also include MUSLIM nations who attack Israel.

Jesus in verses 14:3-4 comes upon the mount of Olives and splits it into two. He then destroys the muslims, and atheistic nations that went against his home. The destructive blast of plague that Jesus does to his enemies is recorded in Zechariah 14:12-16.

Again is this a commandment by God allowing his followers to rape? No of course not.

Gods Justice is easily found. God destroys sinners. This includes muslims who defy him and his word.

No where in the Holy Bible does God command rape against Jews, Christians or unbelievers. Rape is a criminal act. Not a religious one.

If Islams propaganda is correct and Zawadi should remember this. Allah and God are supposedly the same deity. So if allah and YHWH are the same deity then rape would be considered a justifiable act. However no where in Jewish or Christian theology do we have commandments to justify such a vile and shameful act.

Does God command rape? No he does not. And Zawadi and his fellow muslim critics/skeptics  know this. No Christian or Jew rapes. Those that do are criminals and not believers.

Since I don’t believe that allah is the same god as the God of the Holy Bible and Tanakh. There are several problems with his article. If allah through Muhammad allowed rape but Jesus did not then it is obvious muhammads god is not the same God of Christians or Jews or any other religion on this planet.

Lets see what the (EX Muslims) atheists say about rape in islam:

Rape in the Mullah’s Prison

Friday, 04 September 2009 13:48 Jahanshaha Rashidan

http://www.islam-watch.org/iw-new/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=156:rape-in-mullahs-prison&catid=62:jahanshah&Itemid=58

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Violent Sexual Obsession and Rape as Expression of Islamic Spirituality

by Skeptic Infidel

19 Mar, 2009

http://www.islam-watch.org/Others/Violent-Sexual-Obsession-and-Rape-as-Expression-of-Islamic-Spirituality.htm

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Sex and Sexuality in Islam, Part 1-6

by Abul Kasem

 20 Nov, 2005

http://www.islam-watch.org/AbulKasem/SexInIslam/sex_and_sexuality_in_islam.htm

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Women In Islam:-

http://inthenameofallah.org/Women%20in%20Islam.html

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Rights of Women in Islam:-

http://inthenameofallah.org/Rights%20of%20Women%20in%20Islam.html

Let’s look at answering islams articles:

MUHAMMAD AND THE FEMALE CAPTIVES

 by Silas

http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/femalecaptives.htm

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Slave-girls as sexual property in the Quran

James M. Arlandson

http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/women_slaves.htm

Lastly let’s look at some Islamic sources about rape:

Hadiths:

“Book 008, Number 3371:”

“Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa’id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa’id, did you hear Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-‘azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi’l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing ‘azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah’s Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah’s Mes- senger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.”

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/muslim/008.smt.html

“Book 008, Number 3373:”

“Abu Sa’id al-Khudri (Allah be pleased with him) reported: We took women captives, and we wanted to do ‘azl with them. We then asked Allah’s Messen- ger (may peace be upon him) about it, and he said to us: Verily you do it, verily you do it, verily you do it, but the soul which has to be born until the Day of judg- ment must be born.”

” Chapter 29: IT IS PERMISSIBLE TO HAVE SEXUAL INTERCOURSE WITH A CAPTIVE WOMAN AFTER SHE IS PURIFIED (OF MENSES OR DELIVERY) IN CASE SHE HAS A HUSBAND, HER MARRIAGE IS ABROGATED AFTER SHE BECOMES CAPTIVE”

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“Book 008, Number 3432:”

“Abu Sa’id al-Khudri (Allah her pleased with him) reported that at the Battle of Hanain Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah’s Messenger (may peace te upon him) seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:” And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (iv. 24)” (i. e. they were lawful for them when their ‘Idda period came to an end).”

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“Book 008, Number 3433:”

“Abu Sa’id al-Khudri (Allah be pleased with him) reported that Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) sent a small army. The rest of the hadith is the same except this that he said: Except what your right hands possess out of them are lawful for you; and he did not mention” when their ‘idda period comes to an end”. This hadith has been reported on the authority of AbuSa’id (al-Khudri) (Allah be pleased with him) through another chain of transmitters and the words are: They took captives (women) on the day of Autas who had their husbands. They were afraid (to have sexual intercourse with them) when this verse was revealed:” And women already married except those whom you right hands posses” (iv. 24)”

All hadiths listed here are from the same link above.

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As we can see from these few examples. Ancient muslims had permission from muhammad and others to rape non muslim captive women. Since these hadiths have never been ‘abrogated’ by Muhammad or the various mullahs that came after him we can logically conclude islam can affirm that rape can be used against non muslims.

When a person researches about Islam and rape there are many online hits to news story’s world wide of muslim mujahedeen and typical muslim men who commit criminal rape.

I suppose I could bother to make a list of online articles of the criminal actions of muslim men who willing harm non muslims and even their own muslima ‘sisters’ for the sake of their lusts. But I won’t…

Even muslimas are recognizing that their system has flaws:

Sexual Harassment of Muslim women

http://www.themodernreligion.com/women/w_harassmuslims.htm

http://www.themodernreligion.com/women/w_harassmuslims_sis.htm

To conclude:

Lets define what rape means:

“rape1  /reɪp/  Show Spelled Pronunciation [reyp]  Show IPA noun, verb, raped, rap⋅ing.”

“–noun 1. the unlawful compelling of a woman through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse. “

“2. any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person. “

“3. statutory rape.  “

“4. an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation; violation: the rape of the countryside.  “

“5. Archaic. the act of seizing and carrying off by force. “

 

“–verb (used with object) 6. to force to have sexual intercourse. “

“7. to plunder (a place); despoil. “

“8. to seize, take, or carry off by force. “

–verb (used without object) 9. to commit rape.

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Origin:

1250–1300; (v.) ME rapen < AF raper < L rapere to seize, carry off by force, plunder; (n.) ME < AF ra(a)p(e), deriv. of raper

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rape

“In the United States, rape is the most serious form of sexual assault punishable by law, but the definition of what constitutes rape varies from state to state. In all states, if a man forcibly subjects a woman who is not his wife to sexual intercourse without her consent, he has committed the crime of rape.”

“Recently, an increasing number of states have passed rape reform laws to define rape to include certain nonconsensual incidents of intercourse without requiring the use of force as well as the rape of one’s spouse. Any sexual intercourse with a child is rape and in most states sexual relations even with consent involving a girl 14 to 18 is “statutory rape,” because of the lack of the child’s capacity to consent. Rape may also be found when a person has sex with a victim who is deemed legally incapable of consenting if she or he is known to be mentally incompetent, intoxicated, or drugged.”

http://definitions.uslegal.com/r/rape/

Muslims who ignore  their long and horrid history of rape and criminality in their system and attempt to blast non muslim religions  about criminality not by ‘religious’ people but by the multitude of immoral people who have already walked away from God. These same moslems  who either ignore or outright reject modern laws are choosing to follow Muhammads illegal and hideous actions by sexual rape and other forms of criminality  and not choosing to follow the greater path of self denial and following secular laws (providing they choose to live in the West) are in reality slaves to sin and not ‘slaves to allah.’

In doing the actions of Muhammad by harming others who are they following? Certainly not God but they are following those satanic actions of a murderer, thief, rapist, pedophile and lair.

The article by Zawadi doesn’t show conclusively that Christians or Jews are allowed to rape and harm non believers. In fact he disproves his claims by not reading the entirety of the Bible Scriptures he listed. All he succeeded to do was to show how foolish muslims are becoming to hide their own flawed ideology, theology and ignoring the criminal actions of their ‘brothers’ when they should reprove and change their culture and cease their unwanted attacks on non muslims.

Rapists can be from ANY race, religion, culture, or Society. For muslims like Zawadi to insist that Christianity has anything to do with crime is just plain stupid…

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