My critique of ADLs “Uncomfortable questions posed to the critics”

Between 2009 and 2010 I answered their 28 questions from this website.

http://adventist-defense-league.blogspot.com/2009/06/uncomfortable-questions-posed-to.html

Since other ‘Anti-SDA’ Christians are answering their posts from their own blogs or websites let’s take a deeper look at each of ADL questions and note what their intent was.

First let’s copy their questions:

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“1. If the Sabbath is “against us and contrary to us” as they claim Colossians 2:14 states, why does the Lord himself (in Isaiah 58:13-14) say we should consider it “a delight, the holy of the Lord, honorable”?”

“2. The words of Jesus in Mark 12:29-31 (“thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength” and the second Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself “) have been so-called “the laws of Christ” and have supposedly usurped the Ten Commandments. However, these same words are found in Deuteronomy 6:4, 5 and Leviticus 19:18 so why did we need the Ten Commandments if we already had these so-called “laws of Christ” already spoken?”

“3. Sunday keepers always want hard facts from Sabbath keepers by asking us questions like “Why was the Sabbath not mentioned after Genesis 2:2-3 until Exodus 16?” and “Why was the Sabbath command not repeated in the New Testament?” but if you ask in return for a hard fact about where is the commandment for Sunday anywhere in the bible all you get is bewildered looks.”

“4. Exodus 20:2 reads “I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.” The dispensationalist often refers to the Ten Commandments as “bondage”. So are they going to have me believe God brought them out of bondage just to place them under more bondage? Huh?”

“5. The children of Israel were commanded some 613 laws between God and Moses Doesn’t the very fact that they’re called the TEN Commandments tell anyone that they are a separate code of laws from the rest? Why say ten if they are “the same as the others”? See Deuteronomy 4:13, 14; 2 Kings 21:8; 2 Chronicles 33:8?”

“6. Dispensationalist will tell you that the Ten Commandments were the old covenant but in the book of Hebrews (9:7) we find that the old covenant needed replacing for being faulty (the fault spoken of was found with the people and not the law vs. 8). Are dispensationalist prepared to argue that God wrote and spoke something faulty? (HINT: Don’t go there.)”

“7. “Christians” have ALWAYS worshipped on Sunday and NEVER on the Sabbath? Someone was taking a nap in religious history class!

http://www.lltproductions.com/sabbath_history.shtml”

“8. John 17:4 says: “I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.” Could Jesus make this statement if he still had to “teach” Sunday observance by rising on that day? Is he a liar? (Again, don’t go there.)”

“9. The gospel commission in Matthew contains this…”Teaching them all that I have commanded” and Jesus commanded the Ten Commandments (Matthew 5:19, 19:17-19. Did Jesus command Sunday?”

“10. The gospel writers penned their books decades (most scholars say 70 AD or later) after the cross but none of them felt compelled to tell us about a new day of worship? Strange indeed.”

“11. Again, Luke (23:56) writes about the”…Sabbath according to the commandment” but why say this decades later if the Sabbath is no longer a commandment?”

“12. If the Ten Commandments are the old covenant then how do they explain away Exodus 19:3-8 which is a covenant made and agreed to a full three days before they (the law) are even given by God?”

“13. If there was no law before Mount Sinai, why does God say in Genesis 26:5 “Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws”? In the book ok Genesis both moral (6th 4:8-15; 1st 35:2-4; 7th 39:7-9; 10th 25:29-34…and more) and ceremonial (4:4; 22:8-10, 31:54; 46:1) laws are mentioned.”

“14. If there is no law before Sinai, doesn’t God have a lot of apologizing to do to Adam & Eve, Cain, the whole world (flood), Sodom and Gomorrah, and even SATAN HIMSELF (cast out of heaven. Why?)? Weren’t they sinners? What is sin? (1 John 3:4, see also Romans 4:15)”

“15. Why do Sunday advocates insist Jesus broke the Sabbath to diminish it’s importance when Jesus himself states in John 15:10 “….even as I have kept my Father’s commandments.”? Is Jesus a bald-face liar? (once again, don’t go there)”

“16. In the gospels & Acts the Sabbath and the synagogue are synonymous with each other 11 times and yet the “2 proof texts” given in the new testament say nothing of a place of worship, why’s that?”

“17. With the practice of circumcision being very important to Jews, it is refuted over 40 times in the New Testament but not the Sabbath day meetings held all through the books of acts. We remember how rabidly the Pharisees attacked Jesus over the issue of the Sabbath. So why does Paul NOT ONCE chide them on the Sabbath issue and where is their anger over it in the New Testament writings?”

“18. If early Christians were already worshipping on Sundays then why didn’t the Jews raise a commotion about that like circumcision? Again, Paul never rebukes anyone for keeping the “old Jewish Sabbath”

“19. Why don’t ANY New Testament writers denounce the Sabbath? Don’t they know there’s a “new day of worship”?”

“20. If the Sabbath is Jewish, why does God (through Isaiah in the 56th chapter) encourage “the sons of the stranger”, meaning gentiles, to keep it? (See also Exodus 20:8-11 for the same “stranger” reference)”

“21. If the Sabbath is Jewish only then why does Luke (the gentile doctor) refer to “nation of the Jews,” “the people of the Jews,” “the land of the Jews,” and the “synagogue of the Jews.” (Acts 10:22; 12:11; 10:39; 14:1) and never “sabbath of the Jews”?”

“22. Since God is all powerful (Job 42:2) and all knowing (1 John 3:20), why didn’t God change the law and prevent sin so Christ wouldn’t have to die?”

“23. If the Sabbath no longer exists because no one is stoned for breaking it, what about some of the other commandments that the Lord prescribed a death penalty for like the third (Leviticus 24:16), fifth (Exodus 21:17), sixth (Numbers 35:16), seventh (Leviticus 20:10)? Will we throw these out, too?”

“24. If the meaning of “fulfilled” in Matthew 5:17 means do away with the law, what about Matthew 3:15 that states Jesus must be baptized in order “for us to fulfil all righteousness”. The Greek word “plēroō” (play-ro’-o) is the same word in both texts translated “fulfill”. So are we “doing away with” righteousness and baptism?”

“25. If Luke 16:16 tells us the “law and the prophets” were meant to be of no more value when John the Baptist came along, why is it read from in Acts 13:15, and declared as Paul’s rule of faith and practice in Acts 24:14?”

“26. If Psalm 118:22-24 is supposed to be a messianic prophecy predicting Sunday sacredness because of the resurrection of Christ then why does the New Testament never mention Sunday as a sacred day in connection with Christ’s resurrection?”

“27. It says in 1 Chronicles 17:27 that once the Lord blesses something it stays blessed “forever” so doesn’t that mean the Sabbath remains blessed today? Where’s the text showing God un-blessing the Sabbath.”

“28. If the Ten Commandments were abolished by Christ then why does Isaiah 42:21 (a messianic prophecy) state “….he will magnify the law and make it honorable”? Shouldn’t it say he’ll take them out of the way?”

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The following is My critique of these questions and statements:

Questions 1-5: Included the following Tanakh quotations.

“Isaiah 58:13-14, Deuteronomy 6:4, 5 and Leviticus 19:18, Genesis 2:2-3 until Exodus 16, Exodus 20:2, Deuteronomy 4:13, 14; 2 Kings 21:8; 2 Chronicles 33:8.”

What the author of these questions has done is forced the Law of Moses upon not only himself but other SDA followers. Despite the fact Jesus did not teach such Theonomy.

In regards to the following New Testament Scriptures mentioned.

Colossians 2:14, Mark 12:29-31.

The author of these questions cannot understand the changes to Moses Law that Jesus himself gave to not only Jews but Gentiles. He assumes that the Law of Moses in the Torah is the sole source of morality for both Christians and Jews. This type of philosophy is un-Biblical.

Questions 6-11:

Question 7 I corrected in my previous post. The website offered by this ADL author was shut down. I also countered their propaganda with other information already online.

As for the Scriptures listed.

“Hebrews 9:7-8, John 17:4, Matthew 5:19, 19:17-19, Luke 23:56”

As usual each of the Scriptures listed is only posted in segments. The series of Scriptures if properly quoted are contrary to SDA beliefs and the beliefs of other Theonomists.

Questions 12-13:

The Tanakh Scriptures mentioned in this ADL post include.

“Exodus 19:3-8, Genesis 6th 4:8-15; 1st 35:2-4; 7th 39:7-9; 10th 25:29-34, 4:4; 22:8-10, 31:54; 46:1.”

Are more examples of the Theonomist philosophy that the Law of Moses is somehow related to Christian thought and practice. By separating the Law of Moses into Moral and Legal Laws they show themselves Law breakers according to the Torah itself.

Questions 14-19:

The ADL author attempts to prove their position with philosophy and not Scripture. And when they attempt to prove their position with Scriptures they pick and chose exactly what they want instead of honest study in the Bible.

Questions 20-28:

Yet more Torah Scriptures.

Isaiah 56, Exodus 20:8-11, Job 42:2, Leviticus 24:16, Exodus 21:17, Numbers 35:16, Leviticus 20:10, Psalm 118:22-24, 1 Chronicles 17:27, Isaiah 42:21.

Yet do these prove this authors position?

NO Again.

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The failure of ‘Alan Lisenba’s supposedly ‘irrefutable’ questions can be surmised from the ending paragraphs from this sda post.

“Some critics are honest and truly don’t understand the message that we bring to the world but too many critics know exactly what they’re doing and twisting and contorting scripture to satisfy their own preconceived notions about what they want it to say. The ONLY way the bible can work is if we allow it to speak to us and not try to ram ideas into it. I simply ask these questions in response to everyone, sincere or not. Many of these are long standing and haven’t been addressed with biblically sound answers. I believe it’s because they cannot be refuted.”

What this ADL author has done is ‘twisted and contorted’ the various lists of Tanakh Scriptures in an attempt to prove their position. But instead their Scripture examples have shown their own Bible ignorance and those same Scriptures themselves easily show that those who follow SDA philosophy and man made doctrines are not Christian but deceived followers of dead authors.

What this ADL author tried to do is equate Christianity (or SDA churchianity) with ancient Israel. I know this because of the amount of Torah Scriptures he threw out against SDA critics. The problem with such philosophy is that the Torah, Tanakh was spoken first to Israel and it’s many messages, prophecies, history written down by Jewish people. Anyone with a basic education can read from any of the above Tanakh quoted Scriptures and realize that those authors were speaking to specific peoples of the middle east not modern Christians. While I do agree that reading from the Tanaqkh, Old Testament can be fruitful and educational, the meanings and messages within that book is not for Gentile Christians but for Jews alone.

I also know from the writings of EG White that the Ten Commandments and Sabbath that the SDA followers propagate is a salvation doctrine that is contrary to Jesus teachings and the writings of the Disciples.

In my previous post I used many sources to refute this ADL author. Of those previous questions from their website and what other SDA followers posts on their websites with my own blog posts I refuted several Sabbath keepers using not merely my opinion but the Bible itself.

As the years come and go Theonomists in the SDA ‘church’ and similar groups will always try to put their philosophy with the Christian Bible. But instead of doing the Commandments of Christ they follow not our Lord but their own fool-hearted teachings that go against Jesus.

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