What other Christian apologetic authors have to say about richard rives

Since 2009 I have been warning people about richard rives and his flawed doctrines or ideology. As a further test… I emailed two different apologetics websites and asked specific questions about what they thought of rives teaching and websites. The following email responses are the opinions of individuals from those websites.

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CARM:

“December 2, 2013”

“Dear Will,”

“Grace to you and peace!”

“We disagree with some of the overly dogmatic assertions which form the basic thesis of Too Long in the Sun by Richard Rives on keeping the Sabbath.1 Rives purports Christians have been corrupted by adopting allegedly pagan-influenced holidays such as Easter2 and Christmas.3”

“The resurrection of Jesus Christ on “the first day of the week” or Sunday had radically transformed the first Jewish disciples to the extent that their perspective on things had been forever altered. The crucifixion, empty tomb, and the eyewitnesses to the resurrected Lord along with all the theological implications of that historical event moved Christ’s followers to even change their day of worship. The Sabbath was important to them; however, it was the shadow of things to come, and the resurrection of Jesus Christ Sunday marked the inauguration of the long awaited Messianic kingdom, all things had become new and the old things were passing away. Sunday worship is no tradition of man, but something that came as the result of God’s transformational grace upon people on account of the Cross.”

“In response to the charge that Sunday observance is unbiblical, it should be noted that we are told plainly that it was the custom of the New Testament Church to gather together for worship on Sunday (Acts 20:7).”

“Paul also instructed the Corinthian Church “On the first day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, storing up as he may prosper, that there be no collections when I come” (1 Cor. 16:2). In this verse, the English word translated as “on” in the Greek is kata, and its grammatical structure signifies “the distributive use of the preposition;” hence, communicating “on every first day of the week.”4 Thus, this portion of the verse could be properly translated as “Sunday by Sunday.” Each and every Sunday, Christians were to lay aside an offering for the churches of Galatia. Why? What was the significance of laying aside an offering on Sunday? If the Church did not meet on Sunday, it seems legalistically out of character for Paul to prescribe a specific day of the week for believers to put aside an offering. Leon Morris moreover points out that “this is the first piece of evidence to show Christians observed that day, though there is no reason to doubt that it was their custom from the first (cf. Jn. 20:19, 26; Acts 20:7; Rev. 1:10).”5 Sunday was the day on which Christians assembled to worship the Lord, and therefore it was only logical for them to take up an offering on that specific day of the week.”

“Scripture does teaches that we should observe a continual cycle of six days of work and one day of rest (Exod. 20:8; Deut. 5:12), but it does not prescribes Saturday as the mandatory day of worship for believers. Acts 20:7 verifies that from the apostolic era, the Christian Church has chosen primarily to worship on Sunday, which they designated as

2“the Lord’s Day.” Christ sanctified Sunday as His Day when He rose from the dead (John 20:1), and poured out His Spirit on the Church on the first day of the week (Acts 2). Therefore, continued Christian observance on Sunday should not strike us as peculiar or unbiblical.”

“It was customary for Paul to attend the synagogue meetings on Saturday (Acts 13:14, 27, 42, 44; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4); however, there were opportunities for evangelism, and they were not really examples of Christians worshipping on Sunday. When John wrote of being “in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day,” this was “a reference to John’s state of mind on the first day of the week—our Sunday.”6”

“All of the primary-source evidence available from the first and second centuries says Christians gathered on Sundays to worship. The book of Acts plainly records a Sunday gathering (Acts 20). The Didache also mentions gathering on the Lord’s Day (Chapter 14, c.70-120 AD) as does Ignatius, the third bishop of Antioch: “We no longer live in observance of the Sabbath, but live in observance of the Lord’s Day” (Epistle to the Magnesians, Chapter 9, c.100 A.D.).” The epistle of Barnabas (c.110 AD) also mentions gathering on the eighth day, meaning Sunday.”

“If Sunday observance was a tradition of men, and something never endorsed by Christ or his disciples, why is it never mentioned in any first-century debate? Why are Christian writings from the first and second century silent on any opposition to Sunday observance? Furthermore, why is opposition to Sunday worship never mentioned in the writings of Christians from the third, fourth, or fifth centuries? Not even in the sixth, seventh, eighth century or any century before the 19th is this an issue, why is that so? There is not one iota of evidence to suggest anyone did. Are we to think that the Holy Spirit never moved anyone to correct this allegedly aberrant practice until Rives?”

“Sunday observance cannot objectively be considered a tradition of men invented without apostolic approval. It is far, far more probable that Christians have, for 2000 years, just faithfully passed on the oral teaching of Christ’s apostles on Sunday observance. The weight of the primary source evidence falls overwhelmingly in favor of that notion, and so, Christians continue to pass the practice down through the ages.”

“It is simply incorrect to write off Christmas and Easter as pagan. It is true that the origin of these holidays had pagan roots, albeit it is doubtful any can know with certainty what gods the pagans were worshipping on those days. Far from introducing to the church paganism disguised in Christian terminology, believers initially sought to produce rival celebrations, such as Christmas and Easter, to subvert the worship of false gods and exalt the glory of the one true God. It is also true that the Christian meaning to the holidays like Christmas and Easter has been lost to secularism and materialism, but that is far from saying Christian are to abandon those celebrations either, and that believers can also reconnect to the biblical roots of these celebrations (see CBAB18, DC335, DC336, DC337, DH010, MAE001 and DC187 at our Web site).”

“3As we cannot review any of Rives’ teachings in-depth, we urge caution to readers of his works, and only with great difficulty can we ever offer a positive recommendation.”

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Got questions.org:

(ME) Question 32****: ‘Dear Friends, For a number of years Richard rives has claimed that: Christians should be keeping the Ten Commandments & Sabbath. Christianity is ‘packed with paganism’. He is the following author of these websites. http://www.toolong.com/ http://www.wyattmuseum.com/ http://www.zeitgeistisright.com/ http://commandmentkeepers.com/index.htm Are his claims true? Or is he simply a misguided author? Thank you, Will’

“Answered by: Ron”

“Answer:”

“The individual is a false teacher. The legislation regarding the Sabbath is never repeated in the New Testament. Christians are free to worship on any day and exhorted to do so regularly. The Old Testament Law (Old Covenant) is fulfilled in Christ, thus Christians live under the New Covenant, and heed the Law of Christ.”

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I have no doubt that many of you disagree with the two authors views, providing of course you follow rives philosophy. However rives has spoken little to nothing of my refutations nor answered the questions I publically posted on my blog. Which means of course he is either afraid or simply ignoring my answers to his amateurish books and website posts.

Either way… I am not the only amateur or professional apologetic author that has investigated rives claims and rejects his doctrine / philosophy due to the various subjects he has publically posted or authored as attacks against TRUE Christianity instead of the theonomy garbage his legalism claims as truth.

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