My response to the projihadi article “Paul The Liar”

My response to the projihadi article Paul The Liar

 Dec 20, 2011

This muslim jihadis post can be found here:

http://www.theunjustmedia.com/Islamic%20Perspectives/July10/Paul%20The%20Liar.htm

Here is the text of the post.

“Paul The Liar “

“Sha’ban 05, 1431 A.H, Sunday, July 18, 2010”

 

“The Origin of Paul and His Lies”

 

“Saul or better known as Paul, is a Jew from the descendant of Benjamin (one of the children of Prophet Shu’ayb AS) who had the ideology of the Greek philosophies. It was he who actually founded the Christian doctrine as we now know. He came from the town of Tarsus, Cilicia. From the historic literature, Paul’s entrance into the circle of the Christians was in around the year 38 AD or 70 AD. At first he embraced the ideology of Farushin which was very against the teachings of Prophet Isa AS (Jesus). When Jesus was propagating his teachings of monotheism (tawheed), Paul was amongst the staunchest opponents.”

 

“Paul was a stooge of the Roman invaders for the Palestinian people. Paul actually did not recognize Jesus even though he’s a contemporary of him and he (Paul) was hostile to him (Jesus). In fact, he had never met Jesus. He only knew about Jesus from his students who were known as Al-Hawariyyun whom at that time was also opposed by him.”

 

“When Jesus was no more alive, Paul received the task of arresting and eradicating the followers of Jesus who had escaped to Damascus. However, when he returned to Palestine, he did not return to the Roman government that had assigned him, instead he went to the place where the Christian adherents worshiped and showed himself as already having adopted Christianity.”

“When he was asked by the Christians, “Why do you come to this place, whereas you hate the teachings that we are professing?” Thus, he had fabricated a story to answer and convince the Christians with such imagination, “When I was in Damascus at noon, I saw light emanating from the sky, I was trembling. Then came a voice from heaven ‘O Saul (Paul) why do you persecute me? You are against my disciples, actually I’m the one you’re persecuting!’ and then I replied ‘Who are you?’ so I heard the words of God ‘I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. It is hard for you to avoid sin’ I soon returned from Damascus with conscience and repentance, and straight away came here to be with you.” At first, thse Christians did not believe him. But due to Paul’s skillfulness in terms of talking and mingling, finally many believed him.”

 

“Since then, Paul studied hard the teachings of Christianity until he truly understood it. He then became a preacher of Christianity. He came to a distant land to propagate it such as Antighia and other countries there which were untouched by the Jewish religion, and eventually he reached Rome.”

 

“Paul’s Teachings”

 

“If we open the book of Galatians in the Bible, we would be able to find many lies written by Paul. The following quote of the Galatians 1:10-24 is fairly representative of Paul’s false propositions:”

 

“So how now: Am I now trying to win the approval of men, or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ. (10)”

 

“For I affirm to you, brothers, that the gospel I preached is not something that man made up. I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ. (11-12)”

 

“For you have heard of my previous way of life in Judaism, how intensely I persecuted the church of God and tried to destroy it. (13)”

 

“I was advancing in Judaism beyond many Jews of my own age and was extremely zealous for the traditions of my fathers. (14)”

 

“But when God, who set me apart from birth and called me by his grace, was pleased to reveal his Son in me so that I might preach him among the Gentiles, I did not consult any man, (15-16)”

 

nor did I go up to Jerusalem to see those who were apostles before I was, but I went immediately into Arabia and later returned to Damascus. (17)

 

“Then after three years, I went up to Jerusalem to get acquainted with Peter and stayed with him fifteen days. (18)”

 

“I saw none of the other apostles—only James, the Lord’s brother. I assure you before God that what I am writing you is no lie. (19-20)”

 

“Later I went to Syria and Cilicia. But my face was unknown to the churches of Judea that are in Christ. (21-22)”

 

“They only heard the report: “The man who formerly persecuted us is now preaching the faith he once tried to destroy.” And they praised God because of me. (23-24)”

 

“From the biblical propositions written by Paul above, there are some basic facts about Paul’s lies:”

 

“Paul claimed that his gospel was not from man, but comes from Jesus. (verse 12)”

 

“Which gospel was meant by Paul above? Why is there now no gospel written by Paul? If what he meant were the four canonical gospels, have not the canonical gospels themselves been written long after Jesus was gone by each of their writer? Paul’s statements was totally baseless.”

 

“Paul claimed that he was God’s chosen one since he was still in the womb. (verse 15)”

 

“The fact is that he was a great liar. Further than that, if he was God’s chosen creation since in the womb, then why did he repent? So illogical!”

 

“He claimed to have received revelations from Jesus and taught it to non-Jewish nation. (verse 16)”

 

“As we all know, the Islamic teaching says that Jesus was only sent to Israel and continued the message of the apostles of the nation of Israel. And in the teachings of the canonical gospels – which is now held by the Christian faithfuls − it is also emphasized that Jesus’s teachings was only for the lost sheeps or children of Israel. So how could a Paul who (he said) got the teachings of Jesus, taught it to the non-Jewish nation? If it was true, why did not Jesus himself taught his teachings to non-Jewish nation? His statement does not make sense!”

 

“Paul claimed that his face was not known among the Christians of Judea. (verse 22)”

 

“Judea was a place where Jesus taught his teachings. The place was inhabited by the Israeli people from the descendants of Judah (one of the sons of Prophet Shu’ayb AS). There are some impossibilities in the statement here: Firstly; How is it possible that the people of Israel, who supposedly received the teachings of Jesus, were not familiar with an emissary of Jesus? This only becomes possible if Paul had lied. Secondly; the people of Israel themselves did not acknowledge the truth in Jesus, in fact they even hunted down and crucified him. From here we can see the impossibility of Paul being accepted by them.”

 

“His influence up to now”

 

“The western world which at that time was represented by the power of the Roman empire and was centered in Rome, did not have even one prophet in its history. Because, the fact is that all of the prophets came from the east. That was why Paul spread his teachings to the people of Rome, they were pleased to welcome Paul and make him as the prophet of the people of the West.”

 

“The transformation of Paul into becoming a follower of Jesus became an important point that could not be separated in the history of Christianity. Paul’s theological concepts had made this religion to be readily accepted by the people from all walks of life. Paul had made major changes in the doctrine of Jesus’s teachings, that the Christian initial doctrine of Tawheed was changed to become inclined to shirk. Here was the role of Paul in shaping the faith of the Christians as we know it and in fact resulted in Christianity as being a creation of Paul, not Jesus Christ.”

 

“The concept made-up by Paul is the concept of the trinity or three gods which was adopted from the concept of the belief in the gods/goddesses which was in the pagan religion. The concept of the trinity is Jesus as the child God, Allah as the father God, while Mary as the mother God. This ideology was surely a powerful weapon for Paul to indoctrinate the pagan people so that they would move to his religion.”

 

“The changes in the concept of divinity by Paul had made the west with its Rome migrated in a large scale from the pagan religions into Christianity. Due to the pagans early religious ideology that embraced trinity, then they very easily accepted these teachings with similar ideology i.e. the Trinity. Next, Paul named the teachings that he brought as Catholica, which means “Religion for the public”.”

 

“[muslimdaily.net]”

 

“Translated and submitted by a Mujahid “

Here is my response to this post.

1 Paul as the author of various letters of the Christian Bible was never a liar. He was a spiritual man and far better than worthless Muhammad ever was!

2 Christianity has always been a spiritual religion of visions, prophecies and spiritual discernment. See: 1 Corinthians 12:1-31, 1 Corinthians 14:1-40 This means that Paul was no doubt communicating with Jesus and was being sent forth to bring non Jews to Jesus.

3 I consider islam to be little more than rituals, false prophecies and a failed theocratic system that has done more harm than good.

4 Having read the quran I know that its allah is not the God of the Torah or the Christian Bible. The Qurans allah is against both Jews and Christians. Examples:

2:104-112 Torah and Gospels Abrogated

5:12-19 Christian violation of the covenant

2:40-103 Allah is assumed to be the God of Israel.

Since Muhammad did not receive any worthy visions or prophecies that can be verified in the Jewish or Christian Scriptures it is likely that islam simply made up by Muhammad as a sycretist religion / theocratic system.

The actual story of Paul starts in Acts 7:58 and continues in Acts 8:1-4, Acts 9:1-30, And from Acts 13:1-52 all the way to 28:1-31.

Since I know islam does not have teachings about dreams, visions or prophecy. I know that a lot of its claims are foolishness. So what evidence does this jihadi have against Paul. Not much.

Jesus reached out to Paul through this vision in Acts 9:1-30. It was not mere imagination nor a lie that changed Paul. Paul never went back to his old ways.

In Galatians 1:1-24 Paul defends himself and teachings. Even against the moslem author of the article I am responding to.

After all Muhammad preached a false teaching in Gods name. And claimed to be a prophet but had no supernatural abilities like Moses, Elijah, Jesus and others. IN fact it is through Jesus that Paul is considered a Apostle not men.

And yet we are to believe in islam and its quran? Not likely.

Paul either wrote a Gospel or was going to write a Gospel. Why we donot have it in the Christian Bible is unknown to me at present. But I do know this that Christianity and its teachings are FAR BETTER than anything I have read written by deceived moslem writers since I started researching islam in 2005.

The worse liar is Muhammad himself because of the quran and hadiths. But I digress.

Did Paul change the teachings of Jesus? Not that I can tell. Paul learned about Jesus from his fellow Christians and used those teachings to create a specific Doctrine and Theology not from his opinion or imagination but from the stories told of Jesus. Jesus changed the Law of Moses, Taught new forms or morality, Taught about God as a Father than a mere deity.

In muhammads sick mind all of these concepts and more would not sit well with the Arabs of his day. So he changed the God of Israel to the god allah from Arabia, allowed for slavery, taught a pagan morality of multiple wives, thievery, murdering your enemies, raping captives, enforcing a Theocratic system upon non muslims and so much more.

Paul did not teach such things.

Moslems are offended with the Christian concept of Jesus being Gods son. This concept is not referring to the mormon doctrine of deity but a shared position of Deity that muslim seems to misunderstand. This is because the Islamic concept of God is not the same as a Christians. Allah in islam is a god that is unknowable, divorced from its creation and a god that loves to instill fear in its followers through spiritual slavery and worse.

While the Christian concept of God is a loving Father who yearns for its creation to come back to him.

Hence the Islamic god and the Christian God are not the same Deity.

Was Paul a liar? Was he preaching something that did not come from God?

My answer is no. Paul was changed in such a way that it bothers this previous moslem writer.

Such a drastic change for a Jew who was dedicated to the destruction of Jesus followers as read in the Scriptures see: Galatians 1:11-24.

Can we say the same about Muhammad? No my friends we can’t.


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