My research on Harold and Donna Kupp

Before the arrival of Richard Rives there was Harold and Donna Kupp.

The Kupps ‘MO’ is leaving various posts or ‘teachings’ on Christian forums. Where they spew their homemade Theonomist philosophy.  Apparently they started doing this back in 1994.

For easier reference I have posted thier ‘teachings’ in bold…

EXAMPLES of their teachings:

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(Theonomy)

“Keep my commandments – Sabbath (Jesus Christ, priest, moral, testimony)”

http://www.city-data.com/forum/christianity/453465-keep-my-commandments-sabbath.html

(Theonomy doctrines)

“THE SEVEN DECEPTIONS of Modern Christianity”

“Harold Kupp”

http://www.freetruth.info/THE%20SEVEN%20DECEPTIONS/

 

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(Rejects the Doctrine of God being Triune)

“THE TRINITY FRAUD”

http://www.opennntp.com/Bible/the-trinity-fraud-712779866.html

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(EXAMPLES of Ten Commandment Theonomy:)

 

“Will They Walk In My Law –Or No?”

http://www.city-data.com/forum/christianity/453465-keep-my-commandments-sabbath-2.html

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Eventually they wrote a series of articles and a free online book which can be found here on their website:

http://www.freetruth.info/THE%20SEVEN%20DECEPTIONS/

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EXAMPLES OF THEIR BELIEFS:

“GENTILES MUST KEEP THE SABBATH TO BE THE ISRAEL OF GOD”

…“THE OLD COVENANT WAS WITH ISRAEL AND WAS WRITTEN IN STONE“THE NEW COVENANT IS WITH ISRAEL AND IS WRITTEN IN THE HEARTBUT THE COMMANDMENTS REMAIN THE SAME”

 

“Today, Gentiles and Jews, who have faith in Jesus Christ are the Israel of God.  The Ten Commandments (including the Sabbath Commandment) are no longer written on tables of stone, but are now engraved upon the hearts of the people of God.  “

 

“We MUST obey The Ten Commandments and the teaching of Jesus –and our salvation DOES depend upon that obedience.  Jesus Christ, The Judge, gives his last warning to the churches:”…

http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/1084492/gentiles-must-keep-the-sabbath-to-be-the-israel-of-god

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…“GENTILES MUST KEEP THE SABBATH HOLY”

 

“Today, the Gentiles who join themselves to the LORD, take hold

of the New Covenant that God made with the house of Israel. Only

those who keep the Sabbath holy and obey the Covenant can come

to “His holy mountain” and fulfill this prophecy of Isaiah:”

 

“Neither let the son of the stranger [Gentile], that hath joined

himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly

separated me from his people … the sons of the stranger, that join

themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the

LORD, to be his servants, EVERY ONE THAT KEEPETH THE

SABBATH FROM POLLUTING IT, AND TAKETH HOLD OF

MY COVENANT; Even them will I bring to my holy mountain,

and make them joyful in my house of prayer: … for mine house

shall be called an house of prayer for all people.” Isa 56-3-7 (KJV)”

 

“The Scriptures are absolutely clear … Those whom God brings to

His holy mountain are those who keep the Sabbath:”

 

“…the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to

serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants,

Every one that keepth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold

of my covenant”…

http://groups.google.com/group/Freetruth?hl=en,

http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/show.php?i=630302&cat=0

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What Harold and Donna seem to believe about  themselves:

“THE DEFINITION OF A SPIRITUAL JEW”

 

“    “For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:”

 

“    But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart,

 in the spirit, and not in the letter; **whose praise is not of men, but of God.**”

“Rom 2:28-29 (KJV)”

 

“When our only desire is to please God, we have great freedom.  Indeed,  the spirit of anti-christ can no longer manipulate or control us with the approval –or criticism of men.  “

 

“Donna Kupp”

 

“  “And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, WHICH KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, AND HAVE THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST.”   Rev 12:17 (KJV)”

 

“The Seven Deadly Deceptions Of Counterfeit Christianity

http://www.freetruth.info”

http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/1094658/the-definition-of-a-spiritual-jew

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Why I believe the Kupps to be a Theonomy Cultist and not SDA (Seventh Day Adventist Cultist) follower? Allow me to use these statements as evidence against them.

 

“Dear brothers and sisters in Christ, “

“Harold and I have no denominational ax to grind. We are not

Adventists, nor ever have been. We only hope that God’s precious

children who have learned obedience to the Ten Commandments will not

be discouraged by all the burdensome rules, regulations, and just

plain nonsense that Ellen has added to the Gospel of Christ. Mrs.

White has no authority except that given to her by the Adventist

church. God will not be angry if you disobey her, He commanded us to

keep the Sabbath holy – not Mrs. White. “

“I am not a Seventh Day Adventist (and never have been), a natural Jew,

or a Catholic. I am simply the least of Christ’s brethren who love

Him and keep His Commandments.

 

http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/1100250/did-she-really-say-that

OR:

Here is their latest statement:

“ARE WE ADVENTISTS?  NO!  THEN WHO ARE WE?”

 

“My husband and I have never been members of the Seventh Day Adventist Church.  (However, we believe that Jesus is coming again!)  We do not belong to

any denomination –nor do we want to organize one.”

 

“We have absolutely no agenda except to give our lives to the Lord and serve His people.  Anyone who trusts in Jesus as their saviour and obeys Him as their Lord is our brother or sister.”

 

“I had belonged to the denominational church system for many years; worshipped on Sunday; experienced supernatural gifts; then, two questions radically changed my life …”

 

“1.  Donna, do you really want to know the truth? (I thought “Yes, of course, I want to know the truth. It would be foolish to believe a lie.”)”

 

“2.  Donna, will you obey the truth –no matter what the cost? My answer was a whole-hearted “Yes!”

 

“I started to put everything to the test –even my supernatural

spiritual experiences.  I can still remember praying to God

“You have said in your word: ‘prove all things; hold fast that

which is good’; so please don’t be offended if I test this

spiritual manifestation.  I want to stand with you Father and

your truth; but I don’t want anything from Satan.  I soon

discovered that I was deceived about many things.”

 

“I had been in the church system for forty years; but

couldn’t even recite The Ten Commandments! My help

came from the man who became my husband. He

encouraged me to take a neutral attitude about

the subject at hand; and then, prayerfully search the

scriptures for the right answer.”

 

“When I recognized an error, I would never delay choosing

the side of truth.  I would ask God for forgiveness, and

when possible, would renounce my former belief before

others that I had previously influenced with my error.”

 

“My husband and I came to learn about the seventh day Sabbath

from personal Bible Study. Our writing is based upon that

study. “

 

“God bless…  Donna Kupp”

 

“The Seven Deadly Deceptions Of Counterfeit Christianity

          http://www.freetruth.info”

http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/1125272/are-we-adventists-no-then-who-are-we

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Over the years he has gained many critics and skeptics of thier ‘teachings’.

Examples from their critics

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“Answer to Harold Kupp on the Ante-Nicene Church Fathers Holy Trinity and Modern Arians Part 2”

http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/debate5.htm

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“Old Testament Proofs of the Trinity”

http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/a111.htm

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“Email conversation with Harold Kupp”

http://sites.google.com/site/christiansoldier123/email-conversation-with-harold-kupp

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“Donna Kupp heresy 3 – work for your salvation by keeping the law”

http://alt.nntp2http.com/bible/prophecy/2010/06/e7f2c3536c084a52b8521bde1306f225.html

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“PIRATES OF THE SOUL “

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/free.christians/browse_thread/thread/111d90a90f42dd17

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“Harold and Donna Kupp the duo from hell”

“Jan 17 2010, 5:24 am”

“vince Garcia”

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.christian.episcopal/msg/dd57532f5d547bb3

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“Donna Kupp the woman in the iron cage of deception”

“vince Garcia”

“Oct 14 2010, 3:22 pm” 

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.christian.presbyterian/msg/d3763916145bc50b

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Their most recent postings can be found here:

http://www.keepandshare.com/visit/visit_page.php?i=630302

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Just how did I discover about them? I was researching about the issues and debate between Theonomist Sabbath keepers and we Sunday keepers. What I discovered was their various posts and teachings from various forums.

As you browse my blog posts you will notice I have written my own responses to their various forum posts. I have done so because I feel they are so far outside of Orthodox Christianity that they are little more than a pair of false teachers.

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3-22-2016 UPDATE:

As I was on facebook I decided to search my blog out and see who has shared it’s posts. Well much to my surprise I found two responses to the kupps and a accusation that I am a person named. “Eddie Alexander ” who apparently doesn’t like their false teachings anymore than myself.

Meanwhile I am glad I exposed them for their lies and false teaching.

~Will

 

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