Donna Kupp hates so called Antinomians

According to a recent post here:

http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/1096714/antinomians-are-the-bad-guys

Mrs. Kupp calls the modern Christian church the following.

“No one wants to be called an antinomian because antinomians are known as the bad guys of church history. Since only a few Christians know what an antinomian teaches, many will be shocked when they read the definition and discover that they are one.”

“antinomian, (from Greek anti=against and nomos=law) “One who holds that, under the gospel dispensation, the moral law is of no use or obligation, faith alone being necessary to salvation.”  (Webster’s Collegiate)”

“The moral law is defined as:”

 

   “The Decalogue [The Ten commandments] and the moral maxims of the Mosaic law” (Webster’s 20th Century)”

 

“As you can see, the fact is that anyone who says that a Christian is under no obligation to obey the Ten commandments for salvation is an antinomian teacher.”

 

“Antinomianism is a spiritual cancer which has eaten away the heart of modern Christianity.  All that is left is a weak and sickly counterfeit dressed in fine clothing. Unrepentant sinners love this sin-filled fake which softly promises that “faith alone is necessary to salvation”.  What a lie!”

“ Jesus said:”

 

“    “If you would enter life KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS”

                        (Matthew 19:17)”

 

“Only Satan, “the father of liars” would boldly contradict the very words of Christ and call it Christianity.  The simple truth is that Jesus never said: “If you would enter life, have faith.”  He said – keep the commandments!.”

“ Down through the pages of history, the leaders and teachers in the true church have fought this doctrine of Antinomianism which teaches that a Christian can continue

to commit sin and still inherit eternal life.”

“ From the time of Adam and Eve, Satan’s plan has always been to trick men and women into disobeying the laws of God.  That is what makes him the enemy of God.  Think about it, if Satan were to teach people that they must keep the ten commandments in order to inherit eternal life he would be saying the same thing as Jesus.”

“ On the contrary, Satan’s “antinomian” teachers say that as far as salvation is concerned, Christians have no obligation to obey any of God’s ten commandments.  They insist that we are saved by grace –plus nothing.”

 

“This lie of Satan can take many subtle forms and is sometimes difficult to pin down.  But there is one question that will always expose the true source of someone’s

doctrine.  If you are not exactly sure what a teacher believes about salvation, ask him this question:”

“   Can a Christian continue to deliberately break any of the Ten commandments (including the sabbath) and still inherit eternal life?”

 

“Anyone who says “Yes” is teaching antinomianism, whether he knows it or not.  The truth is that Christians must cease from all willful sin in order to inherit eternal life.  The good news is that through the power of the Holy Spirit, we can.”

“Donna Kupp”

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As we can see Mrs. Kupp has a bizarre philosophy. She assumes Christians are under the moral law of Moses. This moral law philosophy is what I have named as “Moral Theonomy”. These false ideas pervades her beliefs and philosophy.

The Christianity I espouse has more morality and decency than the farse Mr. and Mrs. Kupp preach and play online. Those who are ‘unrepentant sinners’ cannot and should not stay in my local Church or any Christian community in this world.

Let’s look at her religious ideas. First Let’s look up the word “Antinomian” and see if her definition is correct.

“n. 1.Theology. The doctrine or belief that the Gospel frees Christians from required obedience to any law, whether scriptural, civil, or moral, and that salvation is attained solely through faith and the gift of divine grace.”

“2.The belief that moral laws are relative in meaning and application as opposed to fixed or universal.”

http://www.answers.com/topic/antinomianism

Opps… So if a individual calls themselves a ‘Antinomianist’ they are in reality saying ‘I am a anarchist’ because they donot keep Gods laws or Mans. So her definition is in incorrect.

As I have previously mentioned in my various posts about the Ten Commandments and the rest of the Law of Moses was for the peoples whom became knows as Jews (Israel). Not the Gentile. If the Kupps bothered to send a email to Torah.org and ask about the Ten Commandments as I did they would be told as I was that “The Law of Moses was for the Jew not the Gentile”. And of course instead of keeping the Law of Moses the Jewish authors of that website would ask us to become ‘Noahites…’

(See here: The Seven Noachide Laws Parshas Noach

http://www.torah.org/learning/livinglaw/5769/noach.html )

Let’s see if she is right about:

“Antinomianism is a spiritual cancer which has eaten away the heart of modern Christianity.  All that is left is a weak and sickly counterfeit dressed in fine clothing. Unrepentant sinners love this sin-filled fake which softly promises that “faith alone is necessary to salvation”.  What a lie!”

 

“ Jesus said:”

 

“    “If you would enter life KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS”

                        (Matthew 19:17)”

Hmmm let’s look up… Matthew 19:16-22… This is the story she is quoting from about the wealthy Jew who asked Jesus how to inherit eternal life. Jesus replies to this individual by saying. (Verse 17… “But if thou wilt enter life keep the commandments” which of course is Moses Laws and Giving away his possessions. Jesus was not referring to the Gentiles to keep the Law of Moses Opps yet again Mrs. Kupp fails.

I have spent a considerable amount of time reading the Gospels and I am confident that Jesus did not require his Gentile followers to keep the Law of Moses as a morality because he dared to change the ‘LOM’…

Secondly let’s look at her paragraph here:

“Only Satan, “the father of liars” would boldly contradict the very words of Christ and call it Christianity.  The simple truth is that Jesus never said: “If you would enter life, have faith.”  He said – keep the commandments!.”

Eh? Where did she get that idea from? Well for starters her philosophy.

Let’s look at the Gospels and see what Jesus had in mind for his Jewish and Gentile followers. Each of these Scripture passages deal with FAITH and what Jesus did to reward those who had Faith in Him.

Matthew 8:1-17

Matthew 15:21-28

Mark 5:21-34

Mark 5:35-43

Mark 10:46-52

Luke 7:1-10

Luke 8:40-56

Luke 18:35-43

As we can read from these examples Jesus rewarded those persons who had Faith in him and his supernatural abilities by healing their family members, raising the dead and more. Is there any Scripture that shows Jesus rewarding those hurting persons around him by keeping the Law of Moses? Not that I know of.

Also is there Scriptural proof that Jesus required his Gentile followers to keep Sabbath? Again No!

The last issue I will deal with here is;

“This lie of Satan can take many subtle forms and is sometimes difficult to pin down.  But there is one question that will always expose the true source of someone’s

doctrine.  If you are not exactly sure what a teacher believes about salvation, ask him this question:”

“   Can a Christian continue to deliberately break any of the Ten commandments (including the sabbath) and still inherit eternal life?”

 

“Anyone who says “Yes” is teaching antinomianism, whether he knows it or not.  The truth is that Christians must cease from all willful sin in order to inherit eternal life.  The good news is that through the power of the Holy Spirit, we can.”

Again with the Theonomist philosophy. As far as I know the Law of Moses / Ten Commandments were never REQUIRED of the Christian. In fact we can easily see how they were changed by Jesus Christ. See Matthew 5:1-48. Also Jesus answered both his Jewish skeptics and the online Theonomists about the issue of Gentiles keeping the Ten Commandments and the Sabbath here;

Matthew 22:36-40

Mark 12:29-31

Luke 10:25-28

Acts 15:1-31

I will also argue that the New Testament holds better moral teachings than the Law of Moses because as far as the Disciples are concerned Jesus fulfilled the law of Moses. Also there remains the question of punishments from the Law of Moses that neither the Kupps, Richard Rives or others online are covering. Will they act as Gods hit squad or Gods executioners when a fellow Christian Theonomist sins? Only time will tell.

I find it difficult to believe that believers are considered by the Kupps and others to be willfully sinning 24/7. Particularly when we are told to deny ourselves. And yet in the Un-Christian culture of the USA I am not surprised by the easy and selfish acts of both believers and non believers.

If it is true that all Christians (and the Kupps) are committing willful sin then we as a community need to repent and urge those responsible to stop. If however Mr. and Mrs. Kupp are incorrect with their teaching and they need to repent and admit they are wrong.

But somehow I don’t foresee them admitting they are wrong any time soon.

To conclude:

No modern Christian is against man made laws. Most Christians I know have a moral law as well. I have looked into the issue of keeping the Ten Commandments and the Kupps bizarre theological / doctrinal stance. I am NOT convinced that their ideas are correct or Biblical.

Mrs. Kupp knows that no modern Christian breaks the laws of the Governments they live under and the Moral laws Jesus gave us. Other wise her criticism and skepticism would be valid.

She obviously ignored or forgotten Romans 13:1-14 and how Christians are to keep the laws of their Governments.

She also has ignored the following Scriptures that counter her claims:

Romans 3:9-31

Romans 4:13-16

Romans 8:1-11

Romans 10:1-13

Romans 14:8-10

Galatians 2:16-17

Galatians 3:10-25

Galatians 5:1-18

Ephesians 2:15-21

1 Timothy 1:4-11

Titus 3:9-11

Hebrews 9:11-16

Hebrews 10:1-10

If she decides to keep her Theonomist ideals she is rejecting Gods Grace, Jesus Sacrifice and the teachings of the Disciples.

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