My combined research on the claims of Roger J Morneau

My combined research on the claims of Roger J Morneau

originally written: Aug 2013

In this post are a collection of my old responses to the book “trip into the supernatural” written by the late roger j morneau. I have found that many members of the sda ‘church’ are completely sure that his claims are correct. The only subject that is correct in the book are the places and people he remembers after he wrote it.

It seems to me that the other portions of the book are fabricated. Particularly his claims of ‘spiritualists’ / spirit worshippers. Since sda followers have posted his book and previously recorded interviews online as truthful. These following posts written as late as 2008 are my responses as a Christian to his bizarre fantasy and the lack of research by members of his own church to ‘test’ his claims.

I’ve found no evidence to collaborate morneaus evidence online and it is my intent to show that morneau’s claims are either fraudulent or fictional and those who follow such claims should be willing to do their own research into his claims or post adequate refutations or responses to skeptics like myself that can be proven by the Scriptures themselves and known or unknown evidence that morneaus story is true and not simply sda propaganda.

Since 2008 I have received a variety of comments about what I posted about morneaus claims from both ‘camps’. Those who support what he wrote and those who think he wrote a fictional story.

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“My research on the claims of Roger J Morneau”

“I started this piece of amateur research 07-03-2008 as a attempt to verify the information he published in his book a “trip into the supernatural”.. Many of the places and people he wrote about seem to be true. However the rest of his story is something I’m skeptical of.”

“The following link gives his story / testimony:”

“: http://english.sdaglobal.org/testimony/supnatr.htm”

“My Early Years”

 

“I was born in the year 1925 in the province of New Brunswick, Canada. My parents were devout French Roman Catholics. Two of my aunts were nuns, and my father’s brother a priest and monseigneur of the Catholic Church. Our family practiced many types of bodily humiliations in order to gain favor before God. For instance, it was customary at certain times of the year for the members of our family to hold an all-night vigil. Each of us took turns kneeling for one hour before a statue and saying the rosary, or other prayers.”

“I have tried to look up family information of him in New Bruinswick online and found nothing on the family not even a birth certificate of him either. It should be fairly simple to trace such a person online. But so far I have only found his information from various SDA followers.”

“Why didn’t he give us the names of those in his family to verify in the Catholic Church? After all his story is supposedly true. Or is it?”

“I have contacted the French Canadian Catholic Church & they have no information about this guy or other family members.”

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“Then in my early teenage years I attended a boarding academy operated by the nuns of L’Hotel Dieu de St. Basil.”

“When I first researched this place online I found nothing on it. Later I received a comment with the following information.’

Special thanks to: Regilan

 

“Submitted on 2009/04/10 at 11:40pm”

 

“I found at least the school did exist, it was also a boarding school run by french nuns, it appears to have closed down in 1960.”

 

“Here are photo’s of the Students at Hôtel-Dieu Academy, 1873-1935.”

 

http://www.umce.ca/hoteldieustbasile/en/expositions/cat.php?id_cat=6

 

“There are more photos up to 1960.”

 

main page:  http://www.umce.ca/hoteldieustbasile/en/accueil/index.php

“Notice he doesn’t give dates to verify if he attended there? I also attempted to verify his claim of being a student there by emailing the above website and their email no longer works.”

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“I joined the Canadian Merchant Navy where during the war I worked – mostly as a fireman – in the engine rooms of the various ships I was assigned to.”

“I have TRIED to contact organizations about the Canadian Merchant Navy & have not gotten any replies about Mr. Morneau… And isn’t it interesting he doesn’t bother with naming the Ships or people he served with or dates of his service?”

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“St. Catherine’s Street West, which is the main street in Montreal.”

“St Catherine’s Street West is a real place in Canada but without a address of the club or the name of the ‘Famous Jazz musician’ it is nearly impossible to verify his claim.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Catherine_Street

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“First Meeting with “Elite” Spirit Worshippers” (Spiritualists)

“At present I counted 6 ‘spiritualist’ churches (Online) in the area Mr. Morneau talked about. Now the problem is which one did Mr. Morneau attend? Or did he make that up?”

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“former mayor of Montreal, Camilean Houde”

 

Camilean Houde was a real person & his bio can be found on Wikipedia…

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camillien_Houde

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“As I continued my research I tried to find any of his surviving family members online. Particularly of any of his kin who have any type of SDA ministry. What little I could find about them was here:”

“wife: Cyril morneau”

‘There is no information about her or any other family members online…”

“Information of Morneau’s  death:”

http://www.christiansinglesdating.com/dp.asp?section_id=2&post_id=31434

“A great warrior in the army of God has fallen. His Memorial Service was held at the ModestoCentralSeventh-dayAdventistChurch, September 25, 1998.”

“I found the SDA church mentioned above and the weird thing was there is no apparent public email for me to ask them if this post was true. I did however leave a post of my own in their ‘guestbook’. asking about him.”

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“When Mr. Morneau was alive he meant well in as much as promoting his ideas involving the SDA organization.”

“Since his books came out in the 1980s WHERE are the critics of his writings and story? After all something must have been published to counter his claims. But so far.. I have not been able to find much online about him. So that makes me wonder… if his whole shpeal was just to sell books or just propagate sda teachings?”

“As a Christian who worships God on Sunday I find his ideas on Saturday Sabbath VS Sunday keeping offensive. After all Calling Sunday ‘satans day’ because of supposed sayings / teachings of a ‘spiritualist’ cult or group is questionable and outrageous.”

“In the end was Morneau Spiritually right? Probably not.’

“Morneaus biography is correct at least in the places he lived and the people he knew of. But the rest of his story seems to be fiction.”

“Why Christians should be skeptical.”

“Within the last 30 years some of the greatest Christian authors who wrote on the occult were investigated by skeptics and fellow Christians and found to be frauds.”

“Names like:”

“Rebecca Brown MD”

“Mike Warnke”

“Lauren Strafford”

“Come to mind.”

“Which leads me to my final point.”

“IF Mr. Morneau was not writing a fictious book and was actually trying to warn people of the dangers coming from this particular group of occultists he would have given us proper evidences including people’s names and further information on the group involved. This information should have been provided to ANY Christian not simply SDA believers.”

“But like Lauren Strafford and other ‘former occultists’ he simply made up a scary tale unlike the late Ms. Strafford he pushed the doctrines of the SDA Church and it’s hatred of the Catholic church and other Christians to prove those things he was taught in the SDA organization.”

“I can assure any one who reads this amateur post I am not done looking into Morneau’s or ANY other SDA claims. After all if their claims are true it can be proven so. If not… than why should ANY of their claims be considered at all?”

https://acriticalchristian1971.wordpress.com/my-continuing-research-on-the-claims-of-roger-j-morneau/

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“Was Rodger J Morneu correct about Spiritualists?”

“Lets take a look into some of his claims from his book:’

“A Trip Into the Supernatural”

 

“Based on an Interview with Roger J Morneau, with Supplementary details added from his Autobiography.”

 

“(Preface, condensation, minor grammatical/textual editing, and some explanations edited by: Raymond Obomsawin)”

http://english.sdaglobal.org/testimony/supnatr.htm

“Here a few paragraphs of his story:’

“Spirit Worship”

“At this point we begin talking about spirit worship, and he said, “the ‘supposed spirits of the dead’ that you think you are talking with are actually demon spirits, they’re fallen angels who impersonate the dead, they’re beautiful beings” He said, “You guys got a great future ahead of you, because we’ve been told, the high priest of our secret society has been instructed that the master has very special plans for you both.” We were then interested to hear more about it.”

“He told us, “We worship spirits, we worship Lucifer and all his angels, and they’re just a beautiful as before they were cast out of heaven. There was a misunderstanding in the whole thing in heaven, in the galaxies, our master was misunderstood and God did not bear with him like He does with people who make mistakes today. So we’re in the warfare, good against evil and we happen to be the evil ones. But we’re not that bad.” He said, “I look at this business between the forces of good and evil, one person believes in God another believes in Lucifer, it’s like politics.” This famous musician then said, “Listen guys, I’d like to have you meet some of our people. What about next week on Wednesday evening? I’ll pick you up at your place and you’re invited to one of our services. It’s going to be a testimonial to the spirits of how they have blessed our lives.” When we left there I said to myself, “This guy’s half drunk, I’m not going to hear from him again.”

“Now lets see if he is right:”

“The definitons of Spiritualism are:”

“spir·i·tu·al·ism (spr-ch–lzm)”

“a. The belief that the dead communicate with the living, as through a medium.”

“b. The practices or doctrines of those holding such a belief.”

“2. A philosophy, doctrine, or religion emphasizing the spiritual aspect of being.”

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“spiri·tu·al·ist n.”

“spiri·tu·al·istic adj.”

“The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.”

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“spiritualism”

“Noun”

“the belief that the spirits of the dead can communicate with the living”

“spiritualist n”

“Collins Essential English Dictionary 2nd Edition 2006 © HarperCollins Publishers 2004, 2006”

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“spiritualism”

“1. the belief that the dead survive as spirits that can communi-cate with the living, especially through a medium, a person particularly susceptible to their influence.”

“2. the practices or phenomena associated with this belief. Also spiritism. — spiritualist, n. — spiritualistic, adj. — supranatural, supranaturalistic, adj.”

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Spiritualists

“The Spiritualists define themselves as:”

“Spiritualist Definitions”

 

“As adopted by the National Spiritualist Association of Churches “

 

 

“October 1914, 1919, 1930, 1950 “

 

“Spiritualism is the Science, Philosophy and Religion of continuous life, based upon the demonstrated fact of communication, by means of mediumship, with those who live in the Spirit World. (1919) “

 

“Spiritualism Is a Science because it investigates, analyzes and classifies facts and manifestations demonstrated from the spirit side of life. “

 

“Spiritualism Is a Philosophy because it studies the Laws of Nature both on the seen and unseen sides of life and bases its conclusions upon present observed facts. It accepts statements of observed facts of past ages and conclusions drawn there from, when sustained by reason and by results of observed facts of the present day. “

 

“Spiritualism Is a Religion because it strives to understand and to comply with the Physical, Mental and Spiritual Laws of Nature, which are the laws of God. “

 

“A Spiritualist is one who believes, as the basis of his or her religion, in the communication between this and the Spirit World by means of mediumship and who endeavors to mould his or her character and conduct in accordance with the highest teachings derived from such communication. (1914, Rev. 1938) “

 

“A Medium is one whose organism is sensitive to vibrations from the spirit world and through whose instrumentality, intelligences in that world are able to convey messages and produce the phenomena of Spiritualism. (1914) “

 

“A Spiritualist Healer is one who, either through one’s own inherent powers or through mediumship, is able to impart vital, curative force to pathologic conditions. (1930, 1993)”

 

“The Phenomena of Spiritualism consists of Prophecy, Clairvoyance, Clairaudience, Gift of Tongues, Laying on of Hands, Healing, Visions, Trance, Apports, Levitation, Raps, Automatic and Independent Writings and Paintings, Voice, Materialization, Photography, Psychometry and any other manifestation proving the continuity of life as demonstrated through the Physical and Spiritual senses and faculties of man. (1950)”

http://www.templeheightscamp.org/objects.shtml

“It appears that these spiritualists don’t worship the spirit they contact. Each ‘church’ differs in its ritual and methodology and yet they almost always share the same ideals or theology.”

“A list of Spiritualist Churches in Canada:”

“Calgary First Spiritualist Church – Information on church activities, private readings and healing.”

 

“First Spiritual Church of Montreal Canada – Member International Churches of Canada and National Spiritualist Association of Churches. Established in 1957 to promote spirituality, mediumship and healing.”

 

“The International Temple of Spiritual Revelations – Spiritualist Church in Montreal, Quebec Canada.”

 

“Muskoka Spiritualist Church – Serving the Muskoka Lakes area of Canada, the church offers inspirational speakers and mediumship.”

 

“Nanaimo Spiritualist Center – A Christian Spiritualist church in Nanaimo British Columbia with church services every second and fourth Sunday of the month. “

 

“Universal Brotherhood Spiritualist Church – A British Columbia church featuring services, worship, mediumship, and the teachings of Spiritualism.”

http://www.dmoz.org/Society/Religion_and_Spirituality/Spiritualism/Spiritualist_Churches/Canada/

“I cannot guarantee that all these ‘churches’ have working links.”

“So morneau which one promoted the absurd doctrine you claimed in your book?’

“As I have tried to show that current ‘spiritualists’ donot worship the spirits they conjure. At least not that I know of. As of this posting I have yet to hear of any SDA follower to be able to prove Morneau’s claims of these worshipping satanic spirits on a Sunday.’

“I can’t possibly think of why a member of the Spiritual movement would agree that they worship Lucifer, satan or fallen angels. This post is not meant to justify their beliefs but my attempt using online evidence that Morneau was writing a fiction and not a biography of himself.”

“As for the claim of meeting on Sundays.”

“Demonic forces can be conjured on any day of our Western week. So for Morneau or any one else to say that only on Sunday can demons be conjured is wrong. After all is it really any wonder why Wiccans call their holy day Shabbat.”

https://acriticalchristian1971.wordpress.com/was-rodger-j-morneu-correct-about-spiritualists/

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“Why I’m offended with the writings of the late Roger J Morneau”

“This post is my follow up to my other posts involving Rodger J Morneau. See “My continuing research on the claims of rodger j morneau”.

“In this post are my responses to his book chapter:”

“God’s Holy Day, or Holy Day of the Fallen gods?”

http://english.sdaglobal.org/testimony/supnatr.htm

“In the following paragraphs we find the following weirdness from Mr. Morneau:”

“At that time the high priest said something that I found to be both puzzling and disturbing. He stated that in the future as times on this planet would grow more and more difficult, and calamities of all kinds would strike the earth with greater frequency, the fallen spirits are going to then impress religious leaders to bring before the governments and masses of earth, the sacredness of Sunday. The spirits will put all of their efforts into this.”

 

“Some present who heard this, then asked him, “Well what’s going to happen to those people who don’t believe in or accept the spirits recommendations?” The priest answered, “That will be no problem at all. Laws will be passed by governments that will force people to go along with it, regardless of whether they believe in it or not. And the law enforcement officers will explain to the people, making it very clear, that such a law is necessary to assure the well being of society. These religious laws will be passed with no effort at all.”

 

“He went on to explain the fact that to give honor and reverence to the ‘Venerable Day of the Sun’ in ages past has been a great irritant to the Creator, as many nations and peoples in earlier times have been involved in the worship of the sun. And he said, “It is all going to take place again. But not in worshipping the sun itself, but in remembering the Venerable Day of the Sun, Sunday to keep it holy!” He then made a statement that I’ll never forget; he said, “ By the observance of the day on which our master, Lucifer, has placed the unction of his authority and power, the master is receiving homage, regardless of who people may think they are worshipping.” 

“The High priest also mentioned the fact that while Lucifer has chosen Sunday as his holy day, the Creator has chosen the Seventh day of the week. It was Lucifer who influenced calling his first day of the week, the sacred day of sun worship, “Sunday”.  And although people may well think that they are worshiping God, the Creator, by observing that particular day, they are actually bringing their homage and respect to the supreme master Lucifer.”

 

“This brings to mind a dialogue that occurred when the high priest informed us that for centuries friendly demon spirits have working diligently to establish and uphold in the religious convictions of all people, the belief that man has an immortal soul. He then went on to boast about how intelligent the great master was, in that he had been able to deceive the whole world, even in an age of great scientific knowledge and understanding. Then one person put up his hand, and the high priest said,  “Yes, do you want to say something?” He responded, “What about the Adventists? You can’t count them deceived regarding the state of the dead. And I have a question, why is it that they can’t be brought under the great deception?” At that time the priest never spoke about “Seventh-day Adventists” (a group that I had never heard of in my life) he referred strictly to “Adventists”.

 

“The priest answered, “You’re right; I apologize, here I did make a mistake.  When I said that among all the billions of people living on the face of this planet, everyone was honoring the great master, I forgot all about the Adventists. After all, they are so few in number when you think of all the billions, I didn’t even think to mention them, so I’m sorry.” Then he said, “Secondly, the reason why they can’t be brought under the great deception? Let me explain this to you. Now, my next statement is going to upset some of you, but what I’m telling you is the honest truth, it’s factual and it’s reality. The fact that the Adventists observe the Biblical Sabbath of creation and reverence the Creator on that day makes it impossible for the spirits to deceive them. They are given very special help and great spiritual insight. Under these conditions they are not ordinary people.” And that stayed with me.”

 

“In Mark 2:28 Christ affirms “Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.” But another authority speaks. Priest, Thomas Enright, CSSR, President of Redemptorist College, Kansas City, Missouri stated – “The Bible says ‘Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.’ The Catholic Church says, No. By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep holy the first day of the week. And lo! The entire civilized world bows down in reverent obedience to the command of the Holy Catholic Church.”

http://english.sdaglobal.org/testimony/supnatr.htm

“As a Christian who keeps Sunday the previous paragraphs are offensive. It is not for me to judge them according to them keeping the Sabbath. And yet they judge me according to the writings of the ‘prophetess’ that keeping Sunday is satans day? These Adventists seems to forget:”

“Romans 14:4-6”

“Romans 14:13”

“Problems I see with the previous paragraphs:”

“1# The idea of a international ‘Sunday law’ which will be written to put a stop to all other days of worship sounds silly. After all NO sane Christian would never support such a plan or desire to push unfair legislation on fellow believers or unbelievers about one day of worship over another.”

“#2 Sunday as satan day? WHERE IS THE PROOF?”

“Show me the evidence from the occult Morneau… ”

“This is a horrid accusation made by Morneau towards fellow Christians who worship their Lord Jesus on Sunday. Christians don’t worship a day or satan on that day. Their prayers and worship go to God not the enemy.”

“#3 Notice this; “The fact that the Adventists observe the Biblical Sabbath of creation and reverence the Creator on that day makes it impossible for the spirits to deceive them. They are given very special help and great spiritual insight. Under these conditions they are not ordinary people.” And that stayed with me.”

“Makes it impossible for an SDA to be deceived? And yet they are akin to the Armstrongists and others whose doctrines are worse. Uh huh good try Mr. Morneau that backfired on you.”

“Now if this was a REAL ‘satanic priest’ as many SDA’s claim notice he makes a specific attack on Christians who worship God on Sunday. He also gives validation of SDA teachings. Which means of course means that this was a story that was made up by Mr. Morneau to sell books.”

“And where did he actually research this claim about Sunday being about satan?”

“The following examples are of occult ‘sabbaths’ or Holy days that dispel his claim.”

“WHEEL OF THE YEAR – SPECIFIC WICCA WICCAN SABBATH HOLY DAY RITUALS”

 

“Rituals for each Holiday”

 

“The following Section is to be used along with the General Ritual Outline provide on the previous pages. Where ritual elements are the same no matter which holiday you are celebrating – you will see text like the following:”

 

 

“The following High Holy Days are covered:”

 

“Winter Solstice | Candlemas | Vernal Equinox | Beltane | Summer Solstice | Lummas | Autumnal Equinox | Samhain”

http://www.goodwiccan.com/year00.php

“Hmmm no rituals involving weekly Sunday ‘worship’… Just yearly…”

“An example of Theistic Satanism holidays:”

“Samhain (October 31st)”

 

“Yule (Around December 22nd)”

 

“Imbolc (February 1st)”

 

“Ostara (around March 21st)”

 

“Beltane (May 1st)”

 

“Litha (around June 21st)”

 

“Lughnasadh (August 1st)”

 

“Mabon (around September 22nd)”

http://www.churchoftheinfernal.com/cele.html

“And yet still no Sunday worship involving satan. Only yearly holidays for this type of satanism…”

“The only people that would have supported this type of teaching, doctrine would be here:”

“THE ORIGIN OF SATAN AND SUNDAY Bible Study Course Lesson 29”

http://www.acbcconline.us/lesson29.html

“The above website link  is from a sect of the World wide church of God who follow the teachings of Herbert W Armstrong. Which brings up another question. Was Mr. Morneau using ‘COG’ sources to add filler to his book A trip into the supernatural? Hmmmm only time will tell.”

https://acriticalchristian1971.wordpress.com/why-im-offended-with-the-writings-of-roger-j-morneau/


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