My New response to Harold Kupps ‘THE APOSTASY IS NOW’

 

Just a few years ago I started to discover the online oddity of what I call ‘Moral Theonomy’ which is basically the philosophy of Gentiles keeping the Law of Moses. This of course includes keeping all of the Ten Commandments. Individuals who write articles such as this one by Harold Kupp are typically thought of as “SDA” (Seventh Day Adventist), Legalist or other terms in order to define and label a individuals Theology, Doctrines or Philosophy.

Here is Harold Kupps online ‘Moral Theonomy’ and my response to his odd philosophy.

(His article) “THE APOSTASY IS NOW”

“  There is a verse in the First Epistle of John that seems to condemn many Christians.  According to this verse some of those who think they are saved are still under the threat of God’s wrath.  The apostle John has drawn a clear dividing line between those who know God and those who do not.  He said:”

“     “He that saith, I KNOW HIM, and keepeth not his commandments  is a liar, and the truth is not in him.”

“                         1 John 2:4”

“Oh, the heartache this verse brings to those who have ears to hear.  How many of our family and friends does it sentence to death?  Yet that unshakeable truth was written for our protection.  Those who accept what it says cannot be deceived about salvation.”

“Perhaps you are saying, “Well, even if I don’t keep God’s commandments, I am still saved because I believe.”  This cannot be true because Jesus said that only those who “know God” will inherit eternal life:”

“     “And these words spake Jesus… And this is life eternal, that they might KNOW thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou has sent.”

“                                                                   John 17:3”

“      WE DO NOT COME TO “KNOW GOD” THE MOMENT WE ARE BORN AGAIN.”

“Question?  “

     If only those who “know God” will inherit eternal life; WHEN DO WE COME TO KNOW HIM?”

“Answer:”

“     “And hereby we KNOW that we know Him,  IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.”              1 John 2:3 ASV”

“John is saying that those who fully keep God’s Commandments (who are able to say “NO!” to sin) are those who have come to “know Him.””

“Here then are the facts that Satan carefully hides from the believer:”

“     1.        Only those who “know God” will finally inherit  eternal life.”

“     2.        Those who know Him, keep His commandments.”

“     3.        Those who say that they have come to  know Him and do not keep “His commandments do not have the truth in them.”

“You may be sure that “His commandments” are the same Ten Commandments which were carved in stone by the “finger of God,” AND the even higher Law of Love as commanded by Jesus. (John 15:12)  Those who will not obey them will not come to “know God.”  The apostle Paul warned those who do not “know God” to expect vengeance on the day of judgment:”

“    “…when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on them  that KNOW NOT God.”

“                                                2 Thessalonians 1:7”

“TRUE OR FALSE TEACHERS? “

“Many born again believers have not yet come to know God because they are being led astray by false teachers in the pulpit.  The Bible constantly warns us to beware of false prophets, those wolves “who come to you in sheep’s clothing.”   Doesn’t it make sense that God would provide a fool-proof way to recognize them?  There must be a way to see who the “wolves” are or we would be helpless before the power of Satan, the one who “deceiveth the whole world.”   Of course there is a way, it is just this simple:”

“    THE MINISTERS AND PASTORS WHO HAVE TRULY COME TO KNOW GOD  WILL KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS AND TEACH OTHERS TO KEEP THEM!”

“Many born again Christians will be lost because of their blind trust in the denominational church system.  They are relying on their teachers and scholars instead of trusting their Bible and Jesus Christ.”

 

“Most denominations have allowed their scholars to set aside the commandments of God in order that they may “keep their own traditions.”  The people themselves have chosen these leaders because they are teaching exactly what the peoples’ ears are itching to hear.  It has come to pass just as Paul said it would:”

 

“     “For the time will come when they WILL NOT  ENDURE SOUND DOCTRINE; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate or themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires; AND WILL TURN AWAY THEIR EARS FROM THE TRUTH.”  2 Timothy 4:3 NAS”

“Question?”

“     What is “THE TRUTH”?”

“Answer:”

“     The Bible teaches that “all scripture is inspired by God,” therefore “THE TRUTH” must forever include God’s law, for it is written in the Psalms:”

“     “…and thy law is THE TRUTH.”  “…and all thy commandments are TRUTH.” “…and thou has founded them forever.” “

“                                     Psalm 119:142   :151  :152”

“APOSTASY NOW!”

“Listen to what Paul said to the Thessalonians concerning the day when Jesus shall return:”

“     “Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come  unless THE APOSTASY*  comes first, and the Man of LAWLESSNESS** is revealed.””

“                                          2 Thessalonians 2:3 NAS”

“APOSTASY is from the Greek “Apostasia.”  It means “defection from truth.” (Strong’s Greek Dictionary)”

“  The KJV translates it as “a falling away.””

“We are living in the midst of that “falling away.”  Now is the time of the Great Apostasy that is predicted by the scriptures.  Most of the church system has already defected from the truth.  (i.e. God’s law)  The leaders of the churches have failed to recognize the “Man of Lawlessness” because they do not recognize the law.”

“**  (Man of) LAWLESSNESS is from the Greek “Anomia.”  It means “contempt and violation of the law, iniquity, wickedness.”  (Thayer’s Greek Lexicon)  The KJV refers to him as “The Man of Sin.”

“The apostle John used the same word (“Anomia”) when he gave us the scriptural definition of sin.  He said:”

“     “Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for SIN is TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW.”

“                                      Anomia                                     1 John 3:4”

“Jesus also used the word “Anomia” when He warned those who continued to sin to beware of the judgment day.  He said:”

  “Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord,  have we not prophesied in thy name?   and in thy name have  cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?  And then will I profess unto them,  I never knew you: depart* from me, YE THAT WORK INIQUITY.”

“                        Anomian                         Matt 7:21-23         “

“(i.e. depart from me, ye that transgress the law of God.)”

“I pray that all of the readers who call Jesus “LORD” will take heed. No matter how good your intentions, no matter how sincere your “faith,” if you do not keep His commandments, you are the one Jesus is warning.”

“The seduction of the churches had already begun even as the apostles were spreading the Gospel.  Paul also used the word “Anomia” when he cautioned the Thessalonians.  He said: “

“      “For the mystery of iniquity doth already work:”

“                                    Anomia           2 Thessalonians 2:7               “

“Therefore, each believer must constantly test his teacher’s doctrine for any sign of the “Man of Sin.”  Remember, Satan will show himself to believers as an “angel of light,” and his servants will seem to be “ministers of righteousness.” (2 Cor. 11:14)  The evil one works under the cover of goodness, and thrives on the word “love.”  His teachers are the nicest people you could ever hope to meet.  They will cover a pint of poison for a river of good.  But they can be found out, for the teachers who know God, keep His commandments.”

“Many who stand in the pulpit have already been led astray by false teachers in high places.  For example, those ministers who say that a believer may keep his sins (i.e. be a “carnal Christian”) and still inherit eternal life are teaching the principles of lawlessness.”

“Beware, for there can be no compromise with God’s truth.  Those who accept the devil’s lies will be lost.  Paul warned the churches about the fate of those who would not love and obey “the truth.” “

“     He said they were those who would perish: “because they received not the LOVE OF THE TRUTH, that they might be saved.”   2 Thessalonians 2:10 “But unto them that are contentious and do not OBEY THE TRUTH, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath.”                              Romans 2:8”

“                THY LAW IS THE TRUTH.”     Psalm 119:142”

“I hope that whenever the reader sees the words “the truth,” he will immediately think: “God’s law.”  If you do, Satan will never be able to deceive you.  He and his workers are continually trying to lead us into apostasy through sin.  Without God’s law we have no measure of good and evil, but if we walk in the light of the Ten Commandments, then we are always able to make the right choices, because:”

“     GOD’S WILL NEVER CONFLICTS WITH GOD’S LAW”

“We may also be sure that the Holy Spirit will never lead us to do something that would cause us to break any of God’s commandments.”

“When we learn to trust the law of God as the only reliable measuring stick of truth, then the deceptions of the devil become as visible as a man waving a red flag. Anyone who teaches against keeping God’s law in any way, shape or form is either a deceiver or has been deceived.”

“A good example of this deception is the school of dispensationalism (Scofield, etc.) which teaches that we no longer need to obey God’s law because we are under the “dispensation of grace.”  By this device they ever so smoothly set aside the obligation to obey the Ten Commandments.  There it is!  The “red flag.”  No matter what they call it, the fact remains that they have turned away from the truth.  There are others who teach that the law was only for the Jews (even the “Sermon on the Mount”).  There it is again, the red flag of lawlessness.  To say that the Old Testament is not for “today’s church” is just another way to get around God’s law.”

“One of the most popular modern day “prophets”, Hal Lindsey, has gone so far as to say that those who teach obedience to God’s law are teaching “doctrines of demons.”  In his book, “Satan is Alive and Well On Planet Earth,” he said: “…seeking to live for God by the principle of the law is the first and worst doctrine of demons.”  On the contrary, God’s word says:”

“            “Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who WALK IN THE LAW of the Lord.””

“                                                      Psalm 119:1”

“No matter how big the church, no matter how many scriptures they use to prove their doctrine, look for the red flag. If they have set aside even a part of God’s law, they have turned away from the truth.  By the way, the Sabbath is the fourth commandment.  To deny it is to deny the God that has declared the seventh day to be holy.  The Epistle of James teaches that there is one law with ten parts.  If you refuse to obey any part of it, you are refusing the authority of the lawgiver.  James wrote:”

“     “For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one, he is guilty of all.  For He that said, “Do not commit adultery,” said also, “Do not kill.””

“                                          James 2:10”

“He that said, “Do not kill” also said:  “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy….the SEVENTH day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God.”

“                                        Exodus 20:8, 10”

“Another red flag appears every time we are told that we are unable to keep the Ten Commandments.  How could that be true?  The apostle Paul taught that by the power of God, we who believe are able to obey that which we choose.  He said:”

“      “his servants ye are whom ye obey;  whether of SIN UNTO DEATH, or of  obedience unto righteousness?”

“                         Romans 6:16 ASV”

“In order to excuse disobedience to God’s commandments, many will say, “Jesus is my righteousness!”  John has already answered this deception:”

“     “Little children, let no man deceive you:  HE THAT DOETH RIGHTEOUSNESS IS RIGHTEOUS.””

“                         1 John 3:7”

“Paul adds:”

“     “Now the works of the flesh are manifest,..  I FOREWARN you, even as I did forewarn you, that they who practice such things  SHALL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD.”

“                         Galatians 5:19, 21 ASV”

“If you look closely you can see the red flag of lawlessness, because what they are really saying is that you may keep doing your sins and still inherit eternal life.  Or as Satan suggested to Eve:  “Don’t worry Eve, even if you eat the forbidden fruit” ye shall not surely die.””

“  That is Satan’s message to all Christians, “ye shall not surely die!”  Do not be deceived, only the righteous who have conquered sin by the power of the Holy Spirit will inherit the Kingdom Of God.”

http://www.freetruth.info/THE%20SEVEN%20DECEPTIONS/1APOSNOW.htm

Let’s consider the issues he brings up.

ISSUE 1: You ‘know’ God if you follow his Moral Theonomy or Keeping the Ten Commandments.

 

ISSUE 2: The varied Scriptures he lists are not complete and bear little resemblance of what was written by the Disciples.

 

ISSUE 3: In the philosophy of Mr. Kupp the system of Christian denominations is corrupt and only his bizarre ideas are biblical.

 

ISSUE 4: His usage of “Anomia” is incorrect. To clarify what the word actually means I will be including it in my response to this article where I intend to disprove his claim.

 

ISSUE 5: According to his moral Theonomist philosophy Christians are to keep the Law of Moses otherwise known as the Ten Commandments.

Let’s begin with Issue 1.

Does God our Father want us to keep his old Commandments? The answer is simple.

Lets look first at the sayings of Jesus.

In Matthew 5:17-48 Jesus taught various Commandments from the Law of Moses. And oddly enough changed them for his own purposes. Later Jesus gives the most IMPORTANT Commandments from the Law of Moses.

The Greatest Commandments:

Matthew 22:36-40

Mark 12:29-31

Luke 10:25-28

Now if Mr. Kupp is right then of course we as the Christian church and our Jewish neighbors are to keep the Law of Moses. And yet where is his Biblical evidence?

Yet here is a problem that Mr. Kupp ignores. See Exodus 20: 1-17. There is no specific Commandment for the Gentiles to follow there. The whole of the Law of Moses and God is for the Israeli nation.

Mr. Kupp and others like him are the ‘real apostates’ in Christianity.

ISSUE 2.

Let’s list the entirety of his featured Scriptures.

1 John 2:4 (See 1 John 2:1-29)

John 17:3 (John 17:1-26)

1 John 2:3 (1 John 2:1-29)

John 15:12 (John 15:1-27)

2 Thessalonians 1:7 (2 Thessalonians 1:1-10)

2 Timothy 4:3 (2 Tim 4:1-22)

Psalm 119:142   :151  :152 (Psalm 119:1-176)

2 Thessalonians 2:3 (2 Thessalonians 2:1-17)

1 John 3:4 (1 John 3:1-24)

Matt 7:21-23 (Matthew 7:1-29)

2 Thessalonians 2:7 (2 Thessalonians 1:1-10)

2 Corinthians. 11:14 (2 Corinthians 11:1-33)

Romans 2:8 (Romans 2:1-29)

2 Thessalonians 2:10 (2 Thessalonians 2:1-17)

Psalm 119:142 (Psalm 119:1-176

Psalm 119:1 (Psalm 119:1-176

James 2:10 (James 2:1-26)

Exodus 20:8, 10 (Exodus 20: 1-17)

Romans 6:16 (Romans 6:1-23)

1 John 3:7 (1 John 3:1-24)

Galatians 5:19, 21 (Galatians 5:1-26)

Mr. Kupp has listed a lot of Scriptures to save time I have taken  the liberty to challenge his philosophy by including the entire text that I believe answer his claims quite well.

ISSUE 3:

Just what types of corruption are in the major Christian Denominations nowadays? Most believe in the / a Orthodox Theology and Doctrines and most agree on the major issues that make up traditional Christianity.

However we can’t say the same for Mr. Kupp. Lets look at more of his ideas.

Is it the many denominations of Christianity that are ‘apostate’ or is it Harold and Donna Kupp? The answer is already obvious. Mr. Kupp believes that modern Christianity is corrupt. That is not the case in my opinion. What is more questionable is that can he prove without a doubt that Christians are to keep the Law of Moses? So far I am not finding any evidence to prove his point.

I will also point out that he and Donna have already proven themselves to be part of the Anti-Christ system by rejecting the Trinity. See here:

THE TRINITY FRAUD

http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/1143624/the-trinity-fraud

And believes that Christians are to keep the Sabbath and Law of Moses see here:

GENTILES MUST KEEP THE SABBATH TO BE THE ISRAEL OF GOD

http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/1084492/gentiles-must-keep-the-sabbath-to-be-the-israel-of-god

The 144000 standing on Mount Zion must keep The Sabbath

http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/1095222/the-144-000-standing-on-mount-zion-must-keep-the-sabbath

Mr. Kupp unless he repents is putting a horrific curse on himself and his wife because of the following Scripture warnings against false teachers. Examples: Galatians 1:8-10, Colossians 2:8,

Issue 4: Is Mr Kupps ideas on the word ‘Anoima’.

Lets look up: “Anomia” and find the definition online.

“The New Testament Greek Lexicon”

Strong’s Number:  458 a)nomiða

 

Original Word Word Origin
  a)nomiða   from (459)
Transliterated Word Phonetic Spelling
  Anomia   an-om-ee’-ah
Parts of Speech TDNT
  Noun Feminine   4:1085,646

 

“Definition

  the condition of without law “

 

“because ignorant of it “

 

“because of violating it “

 

“contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness  “

Translated Words
  KJV (15) – iniquity, 12; transgress the law + (4160), 1; transgression of the law, 1; unrighteousness, 1;NAS (15) – lawless deed, 1; lawless deeds, 2; lawlessness, 12;
 Verse Count
 KJV NAS
 
Matthew 4
Romans 2
2 Corinthians 1
2 Thessalonians 1
Titus 1
Hebrews 3
1 John 1

 

 
Matthew 4
Romans 2
2 Corinthians 1
2 Thessalonians 2
Titus 1
Hebrews 2
1 John 1

 

 

http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=458

As we can see his ideas that Christians are lawless by not following the Ten Commandments are absurd. We Christians have many man made laws we are to follow many of which are or were based off of the Ten Commandments.

The New Testament itself is our Spiritual laws based from Jesus teachings and the Disciples teachings. I will point out Lawlessness is basically Anarchy. The many Christian churches I have attended since 1992 are not lawless but have a order and structure to them all. We Christians are bound to keep the laws of the Governments we live under as well. See Romans 13:1-7.

ISSUE 5:

Are we Christians supposed to keep the Laws of Moses. IN my own studies involving the Law of Moses from Exodus 20:1-17 I can find no correlation between Israel and the Christian. The laws of Moses were essentially a Theocratic system meant to control the population the followed Moses out of Egypt and the wilderness.

I can surmise that because of the liberal attitude of individual Christians and Christian churches more legalistic persons who claim to be Christian tore from those Christian churches to become the online Ebionites, Theonomist and others that I have responded to over the last two years of blogging.

The Word holds the answers about the Law of Moses for the Gentile. Here is my list that makes me doubt the teachings of the Online Theonomist community.

Romans 3:1-31

Romans 8:1-10

Romans 10:4

Galatians 2:16-21

Galatians 3:1-25

Galatians 5:13-26

Ephesians 2:15-16

1 Timothy 1:3-11

The online Ebionites, Theonomists, Legalists are not leading the Christian church into forgiveness, wholeness, and unity. They are miss-using their gifts and abilities to drive further wedges between themselves and the Orthodoxy of the Christian church and in doing so providing the devil leverage to cause further damage to Christianity both online and in the regular world.

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