A. Jan Marcussen’s challenge met

NOTE: The following is a refutation / Answer to Mr. Marcussen’s challenge by Mr Kelly.  I AM NOT taking credit for his refutation but simply re-posting it as he wrote it. 

 

 

The challenge:

 

 

“Sunday, holy Sunday? Pastor resurrects Sabbath debate with $1 million reward”

 “By Joe Kovacs”

” WorldNetDaily.com.”


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http://www.come2jesus.info/tencommandments.htm

 

According to the article:

 

 

“A. Jan Marcussen, a Seventh-day Adventist pastor in Illinois, is starting with $50,000 of his own money if someone can produce “a verse from the Holy Bible showing that God commands us to keep holy the first day of the week” – Sunday – “instead of the seventh day” – Saturday – “as is commanded in the Bible.”

 

“He says the reward will increase in $25,000 increments each week for 40 consecutive weeks if no one sends him such a verse, with a final cap at $1 million. “

“The $50,000 offer is to wake people up out of a stupor,” Marcussen tells WorldNetDaily. “People wake up when there’s money involved.”

 

 

Unfortunately for Mr Masrcussen he can seemingly only be reached by a PO BOX in IL and not online. And that makes me wonder. WHY the attack on fellow Chrisitans? After all if Christ gave us no specific instructions or directions to stick to the old Jewish laws WHY the challenge? He makes this challenge up and then won’t create a blog, website to accept or reject peoples refutations or answers to his challenge.

(Update: I did find Marcussens website it is here) …

http://www.sundaylaw.net/

However he is selling his book on the site and not accepting belated answers to his previous challenge from 2001.

 

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The refutation to Mr. Marcussen’s challenge:

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“The Seventh-day Sabbath Has Been Both Changed Many Times and Abolished”

 

” By Russell Earl Kelly, Ph. D.”

 

“Author of Exposing Seventh-day Adventism”

 

http://www.exposingseventhdayadventism.com

 

email: russell-kelly@att.net      

 

“September 8, 2007”

 

 

“For many years Seventh-day Adventists have been challenging others to show just one Bible text where the Sabbath has been changed.  Actually they have focused only on a change from Saturday to Sunday and have not even considered the possibility that it has been changed in many other ways and even abolished. It is past time to stop this foolish challenge once and for all. I say “Pay me the reward, stop publishing your challenge –OR—publish a detailed document refuting my arguments.”

 

 

“HOW GOD HIMSELF CHANGED THE SABBATH!”

 

 

“1. God changed the LENGTH of the creation Sabbath rest found in Genesis 2 from an “indefinite period of perfect sinless rest” in Genesis 2:2-3 to a “24 hour day” in Exodus 16:23.”

 

“The Bible specifically states that the first six (6) days all had boundaries of evening and morning (Gen 1:5-31). However the inspired Word does not state this about the first Sabbath day which demands the question “Why?””

 

“Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.”

 

“Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.”

 

 

“Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.”

 

“Context is crucial. There is an obvious break between Genesis 1:31 and 2:1. The word “day” in Genesis 2:2 is followed by 2:4 where the word “day” does not refer to a 24 hour period.  SDAs always claim an invented principle exists in which “days preceded by number are always 24 hour days.” However nowhere is this principle stated in Scripture. And they do not apply this “rule” to numbered prophetic days!”

 

“The Creation Sabbath rest was a period of time when both God and Adam rested in sinless harmony. We are not told how long that first sinless Sabbath rest lasted. “

 

“The first “Sabbath rest” may have lasted thousands of years until sin entered. “

 

“In fact many believe that we are still living in the original creation Sabbath rest day because God has ceased creating new species and is still resting from his creative beginnings of the universe.”

 

 

“Seventh-day Adventists cannot prove that their viewpoint is the only acceptable possibility and are, therefore, questionable and most likely outright wrong.”

 

“2.  God changed the FOCUS of the Seventh-day Sabbath when he narrowed it from “all creation” to include “only Old Covenant national Israel.” This builds on SDA claims of “all mankind” from Mark 2:27. The change is from “Genesis 4 through Exodus 31:12” to “Exodus 31:13-17” where it was narrowed to be a sign only for Israel.”

 

“Ex 31:13 Speak also to the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths you shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that you may know that I am the LORD that sanctifies you.”

 

“Ex 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.”

 

“EX 31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.”

 

“The Bible says that the Sabbath is the sign of God’s Old Covenant with national Israel and not with all mankind. It cannot be for both if it is unique to national Israel. “

 

“Ex 23:32 You shall make no covenant with them, nor with their gods.”

 

“Deut 7:2 And when the LORD your God shall deliver them before you; you shall smite them, and utterly destroy them; you shall make no covenant with them, nor show mercy to them.”

 

“God did not command Israel to teach the Gentiles about the Sabbath. Just the opposite is true. He commanded Israel NOT to share its covenant with other nations and that must include its special covenant sign of the Sabbath. The sabbath was narrowed to Israel.”

 

“Israel did not allow uncircumcised Gentiles into their temple to worship on the Sabbath and in fact put them to death if they attempted to do so. This is a focus chsnge.”

 

“Even if God did give the Sabbath to all mankind after sin entered (as SDAs claim), Exodus 31:13-17 clearly changes it to a narrow focus.”

 

“3.  God changed the LOCATION OF OBSERVANCE of the Sabbath day from “a day of total rest inside homes with their own family” to “a day of corporate worship.”

 

“Ex 16:29 See that the LORD has given you the sabbath, therefore he gives you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.”

 

“This did not apply to non-Israelites except their proselytes. Therefore it was not given to all mankind. It is a definite change and must be admitted by Seventh-day Adventists! “

 

“4.  God changed the REASON for Israel to worship on the Seventh Day from his “creation rest” to “rest from deliverance from Egyptian bondage.”

 

 “Compare:”

 

 

“Ex 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.”

 

 

“With:”

 

“Deut 5:15 And remember that you were a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.”

 

 “This is a very definite and evident change of the Sabbath commandment and cannot be denied.  It is the only one of the Ten Commandments which was fundamentally changed after the forty years in the wilderness. “

 

“5. God changed the MANNER of Sabbath day observance from commanding his special nation Israel to let its slaves rest on the Sabbath to “allowing no slave ownership at all.” This again is only based on the SDA argument that the Sabbath continued into the Christian era.”

 

“Compare Exodus 20:11 and Deuteronomy 5:14 to modern gospel concepts of biblical liberty which did not develop until after the Civil War in the USA after the 1860s. The Hebrew word “servants” in Exodus 20:11 and Deuteronomy 5:14 means “slaves.” It is significant that the first 11 verses of the law after the Ten Commandment instructs Israel how to handle its slaves in Exodus 21:1-11 –the “judicial” law based on the Sabbath commandment! This is definitely a change.”

 

 “6. God changed the OBSERVORS of the Sabbath commandment from “including slaves” to “not including” their slaves. This is a change. This relates to the previous change and SDA presumption. “

 

 

“Again read Exodus 20:11 and Deuteronomy 5:14. Also when SDAs use electricity, natural gas, running water, flush toilers, drive their vehicles, etc on the Sabbath, they are CAUSING other people to work and are therefore implying that God has changed the literal interpretation of the Sabbath commandment. In practice it is permitted for SDAs to force others to work for them on the Sabbath Day.”

 

 

 

“7.  God changed the PENALTY for Sabbath-breaking from “immediate death” to “tolerance of Sabbath day gleaners.”

 

 

“There is no indication that Sabbath-breaking was punishable by death after Deuteronomy was written. “

 

 

“Ex 31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever does any work in the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.”

 

 

 

“Matt 12:1 At that time Jesus went through the grain fields on the Sabbath, and His disciples became hungry and began to pick the heads of grain and eat. NASU”

 

 

 “The death penalty is also found in Exodus 33:2 and Numbers 15:32-36. Why do not SDAs insist on this unless they admit change. Is it a change or not?”

 

 

 

“In the OT a man was put to death for picking up sticks on the Sabbath in Numbers 15:32-36. However in the NT Jesus and his disciples are NOT killed when they plucked grains of food on the Sabbath because the OT had been CHANGED by God to allow for such. Compare Leviticus 19:10 with Matthew 12:1-14; Mark 2:23 to 3:6; Luke 6:1-11.”

 

 

 

“8.  God changed the IMPORTANCE of the seventh-day Sabbath when he changed the amount of required sacrifices from “the least” on the seventh-day Sabbath to “far more” sacrifices for the new moon Sabbath day and the festival Sabbath days. And these Sabbath days did not necessarily fall on the seventh day of the week because they were calculated from the new moon!”

 

 

“Num 28:9-10 And on the sabbath day two lambs of the first year without spot …”

 

 

 

“Compare the quantity of sacrifices from Numbers 28:9 through 29:38. Also compare Leviticus 23 (all); 1st Chronicles 23:31; 2nd Chronicles 2:4; 8:13; 31:3; Nehemiah 10:33; Ezekiel 5:17; Hosea 2:11.”

 

 

 

“9.  After elevating Sabbath day rest in Exodus 20, God changed the SIGNIFICANCE OF SABBATH DAY REST from the “weekly Sabbath day rest” to the “rest, release and restoration of the Jubilee Sabbath  year” (which was far more important than the weekly seventh-day Sabbath).  (Leviticus 25:10-11)”

 

 

 

“Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he has sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, Luke 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.”

 

 

 

“Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest …”

 

 

 

“The Jubilee YEAR and not the seventh-day weekly Sabbath is the truest symbol of the gospel rest of Jesus Christ. “

 

 

 

“10. God changed the Sabbath when he ABOLISHED it and released Jewish Christians from a requirement to observe it. Paul said it was an indication of regressive Christians. And, it is noteworthy that God never commanded Gentile Christians to observe the Mosaic Law.”

 

 

 

“Gal 4:9 But now, after that you have known God, or rather are known of God, how do you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto you desire again to be in bondage?”

 

 

 

“Gal 4:10 You observe days [weekly], and months [monthly], and times [seasonal], and years [yearly].”

 

 

 

“Gal 4:11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labor in vain.”

 

 

“SDAs have to blatantly ignore the plain progressive literal language of God’s Word when they say that Galatians 4:10 only refers to ceremonial Sabbath days. “Days” refers to WEEKLY Sabbath days; “months” refers to new moon Sabbath days; “seasons” refers to seasonal festival Sabbath days and “years” refers to Sabbath years –all equal and all gone!”

 

 

“Colossians 2:16 “Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday [seasonal] , or of the new moon [monthly], or of the Sabbath days [weekly].”

 

 

 

“Again the sequence is clearly and literally from “weekly” to “seasonal” to “yearly.” The inspired Word of God commands us NOT to judge others concerning which day of the week they choose to worship God.”

 

 

“Acts 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?”

 

 

 

“Acts 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.”

 

 

 

“After his encounter with God in Acts 10-11 Peter realized that God had changed his treatment of Gentiles from “dogs” and “foreigners” to “fellow heirs.” Compare also Matt 10:5-6; 15:26-27; 28:19-20; Acts 10:28; Eph 2:19; 1 Pet 2:10). They were accepted by faith alone without being required to observe the Mosaic Law.”

 

 

“Seventh-day Adventists Have Also Been Very Guilty of Changing the Sabbath:”

 

 

 

“1. Seventh-day Adventists have CHANGED the Sabbath YEAR by not observing it. Yet it was still a required Sabbath and was just as valid to national Israel under the Old Covenant as was the Sabbath Day.”

 

 

 

“Ex 23:11 But the seventh year you shall let it rest and lie still; that the poor of your people may eat: and what they leave the beasts of the field shall eat. In like manner you shall deal with your vineyard, and with your olive-yard.”

 

 

 

“Ex 23:12 Six days you shall do your work, and on the seventh day you shall rest: that your ox and your ass may rest, and the son of your handmaid, and the stranger, may be refreshed.”

 

 

 

“How can verse 12 still be valid but not verse 11? They are closely linked here.”

 

 

“2.  Seventh-day Adventists CHANGE the Sabbath commandmednt by ignoring it when they use energy and fire to heat and cook on the Sabbath. They are both directly violating God’s command and causing others to work on the Sabbath.”

 

 

 

“Ex 20:10 … in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates.”

 

 

“Ex 35:3 You shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon the sabbath day.”

 

 

 

“3.  Seventh-day Adventists also change the importance of the festival Sabbath days by giving them lesser importance and by discarding them. As previously discussed, in reality the festival and new moon monthly Sabbath days were MORE IMPORTANT than the seventh-day Sabbath. This is proven by the fact that they required even more sacrifices.”

 

 

 

“4. SDAs also change the importance of the seventh-day Sabbath by ELEVATING it and totally ignoring the (at the very least) equally important other Sabbath days.

 

 God’s Word gives no justification to classify these days differently. They are almost always classified in the same group for OT Israel to observe and for the NT church to discard.”

 

 

  

“Compare the OT inclusion of the weekly seventh-day Sabbath in the following texts: Leviticus 23 (all); 1st Chronicles 23:31; 2nd Chronicles 2:4; 8:13; 31:3; Nehemiah 10:33; Ezekiel 5:17; Hosea 2:11.”

 

 

 

“Compare the NT inclusion in days which no longer have spiritual value: Colossians 2:16; Galatians 4:10-11.”

 

 

 

“SDAs discard the other Sabbaths as only ceremonial Sabbath shadows without legitimate grounds for ignoring its inclusion in Colossians 2:16 and Galatians 4:10-11.”

 

 

 

“5. Seventh-day Adventists CHANGE the Sabbath by teaching that it is a moral law for all humans. Yet the seventh-day Sabbath is NOT revealed in natural law, was not observed by Gentiles and only came via special revelation to national Israel.”

 

 

 

“Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God has shown it to them.”

 

 

 

“Rom1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:”

 

“Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:”

 

 

 

“Rom 2:15 Which show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another).”

 

 

 

“8.  Seventh-day Adventists CHANGE the Word of God to make it appear that the entire early church worshipped on their Saturday Sabbath.”

 

 

 

“Acts 21:20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:”

 

 

 

“Acts 21:21 And they are informed of you, that you teach all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.”

 

 

 

“Acts 21:20-21 strongly suggests that Jewish Christians inside Judea continued worshipping on the Saturday Sabbath because they were still “zealous” of all of the Mosaic Law.”

 

 

 

“Acts 15:28 [Peter] For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things.”

 

 

 

“Acts 21:24 [James (incorrectly) to Paul] [Pledge that] … you yourself also walk orderly, and keep the law.”

 

 

 

“Acts 21:25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing …”

 

 

 

“The early Jewish Christian church In Judea misunderstood the changed nature of the Law and observed it themselves, BUT they did NOT place Gentile Christians under its obligations.”

 

 

 

“9. Seventh-day Adventists CHANGE Sabbath texts in Acts to make it appear that Paul always worshipped on the Sabbath. “

 

 

 

“SDAs only tell the first half of each mission story. Paul wisely preached in the Jewish synagogues on the Sabbath because he had a free open pulpit. However, when kicked out, he usually worshipped and preached on the other days of the week.”

 

 

 

“10.    SDAs change God’s Word by quoting texts which have absolutely nothing to do with the Sabbath.”

 

 

 

“Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.”

 

 

 

 

 

“SDAs make this text into a pure cartoon fantasy about the United States and the Sabbath which nobody but they teach. Absolutely nothing about their absurd interpretation is correct.”

 

 

 

 

“World’s Last Chance Team: SDA Arguments for the Sabbath:”

 

 

 

 

 

“(1) When Jesus prophesied about events which would take place forty years after his death (A. D. 70, the destruction of Jerusalem), he understood the fact that his followers would still be observing his sacred weekly Sabbath day. “But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the Sabbath day.” (Matthew 24:20).”

 

 

 

 

“Seventh-day Adventists change the meaning of Sabbath texts by insisting that their interpretation is the only possible and true interpretation.”

 

 

 

“First, Mathew 24:20 only infers that, while others are observing the Sabbath, it would be difficult to flee when gates are locked and shops are closed, thus  making it impossible to buy last-minute supplies needed for flight.”

 

 

 

“Mt 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.”

 

 

 

“Second, verse 21 (which SDAs do not quote) is variously interpreted as either a reference to the end of the age or the second coming of Christ to an unbelieving Jewish remnant. The SDA proof-text is invalid as un-provable. “

 

 

 

“Acts 15:10 [Peter said] Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?”

 

 

 

“Acts 21:20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:”

 

 

 

“Acts 21:21 And they are informed of thee, that you teach all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses …”

 

 

 

“Third, the Jewish Christians in Judea were indeed still observing the Sabbath –along with ALL of the rest of the Mosaic Law. That is what the Epistle of Hebrews is trying to correct.”

 

 

 

 

 

“Fourth, if Matthew 24:20 “proves” that the Sabbath was still being observed by Jewish Christians in A. D. 70, then, with Acts 21:20-21, it also “proves” that the whole Mosaic Law was still being observed (through ignorantly) by Jewish Christians. Post biblical church history reveals that this church soon rejected Paul, became much more legalistic, became know as Ebionites and Ekiasites, and drifted apart from orthodox Christianity before disappearing as an offshoot sect several centuries later.”

 

 

 

“(2) Jesus said he did not come to destroy the law but to fill it to the fullest spiritual meaning. He emphatically declared that not “one jot or tittle” until heaven and earth pass away. “Think not that I am come to destroy the law or the prophets; I am not come to destroy but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law until all be fulfilled.” Matthew 5:17-18. “

 

 

 

 

 

“The SDA argument is that, since all of the law is still in force, then so is the Sabbath day.”

 

 

 

“Matt 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”

 

 

 

“Those who argue from Matthew 5:17-19 defeat their own argument because they place themselves, as defenders of the Mosaic Law, under its curse from verses 18-19.  Since Jesus used examples from the commandments, statutes and judgments in verses 20-48, then it is clear that Jesus is speaking of the whole law as being indivisible. Either one is under all or it or none of it.”

 

 

 

“First, the Gentiles never were under any of the Mosaic Law (Acts 15:8-12). Second Jesus fulfilled the righteous requirements of the law (Luke 24:44; Romans 3:21-22) Third, the new covenant law of love motivated by the indwelling Holy Spirit is not merely a restatement of the Old Covenant (Heb 8:8; Gal  5:22-23). Fourth, SDAs themselves publicly discard most of the ceremonial and judicial law as irrelevant, thus admitting that the whole law is no longer in force.”

 

 

 

“In only the first three chapters of the law, the Mosaic Law enforces slavery (Ex 21:1-11); encourages revenge killing (Ex 21:13); kills children who hit or curse their parents (Ex 21:15, 17); kills all witches (Ex 22:18); kills all who worship other gods (Ex 22:20); requires our firstborn children (Ex 22:29-30); commands farmland rest every 7th year (Ex 23:10); forbids even naming other gods (Ex 23:13); commands males to appear 3 times a year in Jerusalem (Ex 23:17); commands obedience to everything God says in the Law (Ex 23:22); forbids national treaties (EX 23:32); forbids non-Israelites from living on the same land as themselves (Ex 23:33); and later, of course, kills Sabbath-breakers (Ex 31:14-15; 35:2). NONE of these are observed by Seventh-day Adventists who boast about keeping the “whole law” today!”

 

 

 

 

 

“Like many other denominations, SDAs have no consistent principle of interpretation which allows them to draw material out of the Old Covenant for use by the church. “

 

 

 

“(3) Jesus said “The Sabbath was made for man.” Mark 2:27. It is not for the Jews only, but for all mankind –for all men and women everywhere. The Jewish nation did not even exist until 2,500 years after the Sabbath was made (Genesis 2:2-3).”

 

 

 

“Seventh-day Adventists do not allow Christ’s words about the Sabbath to have other possible interpretations of Mark 2:27 and Matthew 12:8.”

 

 

  

“SDAs only allow the Greek words ho anthropos to mean “mankind” although a different word, phusei, is translated as “race,” “species” or “mankind” in James 3:7. They insist that ho anthropos can ONLY mean “man in general” or “all mankind.” However this is far from conclusive. “

 

 

 

“It must be remembered that God gave the Sabbath to national Israel as their special old covenant sign and commanded them NOT to share their covenant. This is clear in Ex 23:32; 31:13-17; Deut 7:2.”

 

 

 

“First, the “men” in the discussion are Hebrew men under the jurisdiction of the Mosaic Law. Thus Jesus might have been saying “The Sabbath was made for the Hebrew man [who is under the law] and the Hebrew man was not made for the Sabbath.””

 

 

 

“Second, because of the Greek definite article ho meaning “the”,” THE “man” could easily refer to Jesus. This is true in 13 of 21 uses in Mark’s Greek text. Thus Jesus could have been saying “The Sabbath exists for THE man, THE Messiah, THE Son of man, and Messiah does not exist FOR the Sabbath.” In other words, Jesus the Messianic “Son of man” did not come to serve the Sabbath, but the Sabbath day was to serve his needs in Israel.”

 

 

 

“Third, the reference to Genesis 2:2-3 proves nothing because the Sabbath day rest in Genesis was the only one not bonded by an evening and a morning which indicates that it at least lasted until sin arrived. Although many sins were rebuked from Genesis 3 until Exodus 16, there is no mention of Sabbath observance or violation.”

 

 

 

“The Sabbath day cannot at the same time be “for all mankind” and also be a unique sign of the God’s old covenant with national Israel in Exodus 31:13-17.”

 

“(4) Jesus showed that the test of love was obedience to his commandments. “What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?” “But if thou will enter into life, keep the commandments.” Matthew 16:19”

 

 

 

“This incident occurred before Calvary when Jews were under the full jurisdiction of the Mosaic Law.  Obedience to the entire Mosaic Law, not merely the Ten Commandments is in view here. Proof that one was a true Hebrew was exhibited by obedience to all of the law and not merely the Sabbath.”

 

 

 

“Neither Jesus, his disciples nor the rich young ruler would have interpreted “the commandments” here to only mean the Ten Commandments. Yet Seventh-day Adventists want people to conclude such.”

 

 

 

“Also, neither Jesus, Paul, Peter, James, or Jude would have made such a statement after Calvary.  The words “the commandments” are not the same as the words “my commandments” and “commandments” as used by the Apostle John in John, 1st, 2nd and 3rd John and Revelation.”

 

 

 

“That which was “Jesus’ commandments” and “my commandments” changed according to Jesus’ audience. He commanded his Jewish disciples to obey the Mosaic Law in Matthew 5:23-24 and 8:4. However Jesus never commanded Gentiles whom he healed to observe the Mosaic Law.”

 

 

 

“While Seventh-day Adventists themselves pick and choose when determining which of Jesus’ “commandments” they think still apply to the church, they accuse others of being commandment breakers. “

 

 

 

“First, no Jewish follower would have subdivided the Mosaic Law into three divisions in an attempt to only observe the Ten Commandments and ignore the remainder of it. Second, when Jesus told his Jewish disciples who were still under the full jurisdiction of the Mosaic Law to “keep his commandments” he was certainly not instructing the post-Calvary mysterious body called the “ekklesia” about sanctification after Calvary. Third, if the SDA viewpoint were true, then they would have little need for the epistles. “

 

 

 

T”he only consistent hermeneutic is the one which says that “Only that which is either repeated after Calvary in terms of grace or that which is universally knowable through natural law can be carried out of the Mosaic Law into the New Covenant.” That is what the U.S. government did when it discarded all of British law and began completely anew writing their own U.S. Constitution.”

 

 

“(5) Jesus –King of Kings and Lord of Lords—provided for us.  While on earth as the Son of Man he made it his custom to keep each Sabbath day by attending worship services. “And as his custom was he went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day and stood up to read.” Luke 4:16.”

 

 

 

 

“The logic is that, since Jesus kept the Sabbath as our example, then everybody else should keep the Sabbath.”

 

 

 

“Gal 4:4 But when the fullness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,”

 

 

 

“Gal 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.”

 

 

 

“However, this logic can only be applied to Jesus’ Jewish followers. Actually, in addition to observing the Sabbath, Jesus observed hundreds of other Jewish customs which were equally required under the law. And, it is almost certain that SDAs do NOT use the same principle and follow the other thousands of requirements under the Mosaic Law. Why not?”

 

 

 

“Although SDAs disagree, God never commanded the Gentiles to observe the Sabbath and never disciplined them for Sabbath-breaking. When he did miraculously reveal the Sabbath to the Israelites in Exodus 16 after a minimum of 2500 years of silence, he then told them NOT to share their covenant with other nations and that included the Sabbath (Deut 7:2).  No missionaries were ever sent out to proselytize non-Israelites and give them the Sabbath. And there is no indication that Jonah commanded the Ninevites to observe the Sabbath after they had repented. “

 

 

 

“The most important Sabbath seen in Luke 4:16, the Jubilee Sabbath Year and not the seventh-day Sabbath, was far more important because it provided much more release and rest. Yet SDAs do not observe the Jubilee Sabbath year. Why not?”

 

 

 

“(6) Christ’s disciples kept the Sabbath after his crucifixion. “And they returned and prepared spices and ointments and rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment. Luke 23:56. There is no verse in the NT that mentions that there was a change in God’s law.”

 

 

 

“The use of Luke 23:56 is a rather juvenile argument.  The Hebrew people had been following their traditions for almost 1500 years and it is extremely unlikely that they had remotely even thought about what would happen to the Mosaic Law after Jesus death. “Yes” and even “of course” they kept the Sabbath after the crucifixion – and they also continued to keep ALL of the law for many years until the true impact of the Gospel slowly changed them. Therefore the SDA logic is totally irrelevant.”

 

 

 

“SDAs quote:”

 

 

 

“Acts 13:14 “But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and sat down.”

 

 

 

“They do not point out that Paul’s pattern was always (1) first to the Jewish synagogues on the Sabbath because he had an open free pulpit as a Jew and especially as a highly educated rabbi and (2) to the Gentiles DAILY after he had been rejected from the synagogues.”

 

 

 

“SDAs quote:”

 

 

 

A”cts 13:42-44 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.  [Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.] And the next Sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.”

 

 

 

“While quoting Acts 13:42-44 (from Antioch of Psidia) SDAs conveniently OMIT 13:39 “And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.”

 

 

 

“They quote verses 42 and 44 and ignore verse 43 which points out the Gentiles who asked Paul to preach on the following Sabbath wee Jewish God-fearing proselytes who had already been persuaded to observe the Sabbath!  They did not turn to the non-proselyte Gentiles who did not worship on the Sabbath until verse 46!”

 

 

 

“Next, before quoting Acts 16:13 SDAs also conveniently skip over the very important first Jerusalem church council in Acts 15.”

 

 

 

“Acts 15:1 And certain men which came down from Judea taught the brethren, and said, Except you be circumcised after the manner of Moses, you cannot be saved.”

 

 

 

“Acts 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.”

 

 

“Paul was opposed by Christian Pharisees who wanted Gentile converts to observe all the Mosaic Law, including Sabbath-keeping.”

 

 

 

“Acts 15:8-10 And God, which knows the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Spirit, even as he did unto us; and put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. Now therefore why do you tempt God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?”

 

 

 

“Peter had witnessed how God saved Gentiles by faith who had not observed the Mosaic Law. He knew that the Pharisees’ insistence on circumcision and Sabbath-keeping had lost its value.”

 

 

 

“Acts 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we [Jews] shall be saved, even as they [Gentiles].”

 

 

 

“After his experience in Acts 10-11 Peter realized that salvation by faith alone also saved the Jews.”

 

 

 

“Acts 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, You must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment.”

 

 

 

“James confirmed that the church in Jerusalem had no intention of expecting the Gentile converts to observe the Mosaic Law, including Sabbath-keeping. He calls such action “subverting your souls.”

 

 

 

“Acts 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things.”

 

 

 

“The Holy Spirit even confirmed that Gentile Christians were not obligated to observe the Mosaic Law and the “necessary things” do not include Sabbath-keeping. Seventh-day Adventists ignore these texts as they progress through the book of Acts to teach Sabbath-keeping out of context.”

 

 

 

“Acts 16:4 And as they went through the cities, they delivered them the decrees for to keep, that were ordained of the apostles and elders which were at Jerusalem.”

 

 

 

“Acts 16:5 And so were the churches established in the faith, and increased in number daily.”

 

 

 

“SDAs also ignore the texts which indicate that Paul preached on every day of the week when he had no strictly Jewish or Jewish proselyte audience.”

 

 

“The “decrees” ordained by the apostles and elders in Jerusalem were those from chapter 15 which are ignored by SDAs.”

 

 

 

“SDAs quote:”

 

 

 

“Acts 16:13 And on the Sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was expected to be made; and we sat down, and spoke to the women which resorted there.”

 

 

 

“There was probably no synagogue in Philippi so Paul went to where Jews and proselytes were known to gather for prayer on the Sabbath. “

 

 

 

“SDAs OMIT the following verses which describe the woman who followed them  “many days” while Paul was preaching on other days of the week (Acts 16:18). The sequence of events is repeated in Berea where Paul first went to the synagogue on the Sabbath (17:10) which was followed by the Bereans searching the scriptures “daily” in 17:11. Again while in Athens scripture shows us that Paul did the same thing. In Acts 17:17 “he disputed in the synagogue with the Jews (on Sabbath) and with the devout persons (Gentile God-fearer proselytes) and in the market DAILY with them that met with him.””

 

 

 

“SDAs quote:”

 

 

 

“Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.”

 

 

 

“Again the Corinthian Greeks in 18:4 are the God-fearer proselytes. Afterwards (18:7) Paul left the synagogue and preached (daily) in the house of Crispus where many believed and were baptized (18:8). Paul stayed in Corinth for eighteen months (18:11) and he was not in the synagogue.”

 

 

 

“While in Ephesus the Bible tells us that Paul disputed with the Jews in the synagogue for three months (19:8). “But when some were becoming hardened and disobedient, speaking evil of the Way before the people, he withdrew from them and took away the disciples, reasoning DAILY in the school of Tyrannus” (Acts 19:9).”

 

 

 

“It is amazing how SDAs forget to tell how all of their Sabbath day illustrations end with Paul going to the Gentiles and preaching to them DAILY.”

 

 

 

“Gal 4:10-11 You observe days [weekly], and months [monthly], and times [seasonal], and years [yearly]. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labor in vain.”

 

 

 

“Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a holyday [seasonal], or of the new moon [monthly], or of the sabbath days [weekly].”

 

 

“Rom 14:5 One man regards one day above another: another regards every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.”

 

 

 

“Unfortunately for the SDA “missing text´ argument, Paul never taught that Sunday replaced the Saturday Sabbath. Instead he taught that all days were equal opportunities to preach the gospel. In Galatians 4:10-11 he opposed any holy day.”

 

 

 

“Again Paul’s pattern was clearly: (1) To Jewish synagogue on Sabbaths where he had an open pulpit until chased out and, then, (2) to Gentiles every day of the week. The SDA claim that Paul always preached on the Sabbath is wrong.”

 

 

 

“(7) All flesh –all of God’s redeemed people—will celebrate the Sabbath in the new heavens and the new earth throughout eternity. Quotes Isaiah 66:22-23.”

 

 

“Isa 66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcasses of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.”

 

 

 

“If SDAs had bothered quoting 66:24, the very next verse, they would have to conclude that this is not the usual description of eternity as found in Revelation 21. Rather it is in the context of the OT Messianic Kingdom of God.”

 

 

 

” The text is not primarily addressed to “all flesh and all of God’s redeemed people.” It is primarily addressed to “your seed and your name,” that is, national Israel, when God would have fulfilled his promises made to them as a nation.”

 

 

 

“All flesh” will come to Jerusalem (66:10) to worship with “your seed” (Hebrews) from ‘new moon to new moon’ and from ‘Sabbath to Sabbath’ –in other words, EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK! SDAs take this verse completely out of context; neither do they observe the new moon.”

 

 

 

“This occurs after God comes with fire to punish the wicked (66:15-16).”

 

 

 

“Those who eat pork when Jesus comes will not be saved. If this were applied to the New Covenant it means that only Sabbath-keeping SDAs who do not eat pork will be saved. Salvation is therefore not determined by one’s relationship with Jesus Christ (66:17).”

 

 

 

“All nations” will be gathered to Jerusalem. This does not follow SDA eschatology (66:18-19) therefore they need to explain it in the context of their own doctrine.”

 

 

 

“The restored remnant of Israel will be brought to Jerusalem (66:20). This does not follow SDA eschatology either.”

 

 

  

“Priests and Levites will be restored from the returning remnant of Israel (66:21). And this does not follow SDA eschatology. Since these last three ideas do not occur in SDA eschatology (last day events) then they ethically should not use them to prove a Sabbath point and to prove others wrong while ignoring their context.”

 

 

 

“Verses 22-23 are quoted by SDAs. “

 

 

 

“However they quote none of the surrounding texts because their own theology denies both a literal restoration of Israel in the last days and/or any attempt to reconcile the texts in their own eschatological context –especially verse 24. None of it makes sense in their own eschatology. They only quote verses 22-23 completely out of context.”

 

 

 

“Again, SDAs quote verses 22-23 as Sabbath proof-texts but they do not want to discuss the very next verse. “

 

 

 

“(9) “There is no verse in the NT that mentions that there was a change in God’s law.”

 

 

 

“There are many changes in the Mosaic Law and, to my knowledge, every church INCLUDING THE SDA church admits it in their doctrine and practice. “

 

 

 

“Many churches use the hermeneutic (principle of interpretation) that “Only that which is expressly removed from the Law after Calvary remains removed. Everything else remains applicable.” These, including Seventh-day Adventists CHANGE the Law by removing most of the ceremonial statutes and civil judicial decrees. “

 

 

 

“Others, like Martin Luther and dispensationalists, say that “Only that which is expressly REPEATED after Calvary in terms of grace is applicable to the church.”

 

 

 

“Both sides retain the parts of the Law which are strictly “moral” and reflect the eternal moral character of God but this does not include a specific seventh-day Saturday Sabbath rest day.”

 

 

 

“The following are a sample of verses used to argue that that there has been a change in the Law from the Old to the New Covenant. “

 

 

 

“Luke 24:44; John 1:17; Romans 3:21-22; 6:14; 7:4; 8:1; 10:3-10; 2nd Corinthians 3:10; Galatians 3:10-13, 19-25; 4:7; 5:23; Ephesians 2:14-16; Philippians 3:9; Colossians 2:13-17; Hebrews 1:1; 7:12-19; 8:10-13; 10:1.”

 

 

“Everything the OT said about the glory and righteousness of the Law is now said about Jesus Christ. Jesus is now the standard of righteousness for the believer. He is “the way, the truth, the life, the manna, the light.” Since this is true then there is not longer a need to have a lesser shadow standard of righteousness. The Christian has already been judged, not by works of the law, but by his response to the Gospel.”

 

 

 

“Phil 3:8-10 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith.”

 

 

“Who changed the Sabbath?  God changed it!”

 

 

(His website:)  http://www.tithing-russkelly.com/sda/id10.html


My own response to this outdated challenge is here:

“My belated response to a Jan marcussens world net daily challenge”

“Nov 2013”

https://wordpress.com/stats/insights/acriticalchristian1971.wordpress.com


Simply put. Gods Saturday Sabbath won’t save seventh day Adventists no matter how they claim to keep it. Those in the ‘sda church’ are more afraid of eg white and company due to her overhyped writings than bothering to read their Bibles and see how Jesus satisfied Gods Law and allowed ALL Christians to chose Saturday or Sunday  as Days of Rest and Worship.

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