My response to an atheist post about ‘rape in the Bible’

Muslims have continued their tactics to insist that Christian men and Jewish men are allowed to rape the women of unbelievers. A recent commenter on this website call himself or herself…

“A Muslim”

And posted this:

http://www.standupamericanow.org/articles/2010/11/islam-101-the-religion-of-rape

Of course what this moslem commenter failed to mention is that they used the following article from a well known atheist website to prove their point. Are they correct? Can Jews goto war and rape non Jewish women? NO of course not! This moslem blogger used this websites post about ‘rape in the bible’. See:

http://www.evilbible.com/Rape.htm

While it is easy for this previous moslem blogger to be willing to post this list of rape in the Torah it doesn’t clear islams use of rape and other criminality as reported online. Meanwhile here is my response to this atheists website post. The text of the post as follows…

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“Rape In The Bible”

“    Rape is one of the most heinous crimes imaginable.  Yet few people know that the Bible often condones and even approves of rape.  How anyone can get their moral guidance from a book that allows rape escapes me.  Perhaps they have been lied to about the Bible and carefully detoured around all the nasty stuff in the Bible.”

“    So grab your Bibles and follow along as I show you all the nasty rapes that your priests and preachers don’t want to tell you about.  Note that in many places in the Bible there are references to “taking a wife”.  Don’t be fooled into thinking that these were voluntary marriages.  This first quote clearly shows that murder and force were used to “take” these wives.  “

“1) Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead  (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)”

“    So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children.  “This is what you are to do,” they said. “Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin.”  Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in thelandofCanaan.”

“    The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives.  But there were not enough women for all of them.  The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes ofIsrael.  So the Israelite leaders asked, “How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead?  There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe ofIsraelwill not be lost forever.  But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God’s curse.”

“    Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah andBethel, along the east side of the road that goes fromBethelto Shechem.  They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, “Go and hide in the vineyards.  When the women ofShilohcome out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife!  And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, ‘Please be understanding.  Let them have your daughters, for we didn’t find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'”  So the men of Benjamin did as they were told.  They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance.  Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them.  So the assembly ofIsraeldeparted by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes.”

“    Obviously these women were repeatedly raped.  These sick bastards killed and raped an entire town and then wanted more virgins, so they hid beside the road to kidnap and rape some more.  How can anyone see this as anything but evil?”

“2) Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites    (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)”

“    They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men.  All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle.  They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword.  Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder.  They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived.  After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community ofIsrael, which was camped on the plains ofMoabbeside the Jordan River, across fromJericho. “

“    Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp.  But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle.  “Why have you let all the women live?” he demanded.  “These are the very ones who followed Balaam’s advice and caused the people ofIsraelto rebel against the LORD atMountPeor.  They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD’s people.  Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man.  Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.”

“Clearly Moses and God approves of rape of virgins.”

“3) More Murder Rape and Pillage   (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)”

“     As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace.  If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor.  But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town.  When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town.  But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder.  You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.”

“What kind of God approves of murder, rape, and slavery?”

“4) Laws of Rape   (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)”

“    If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father.  Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.”

“What kind of lunatic would make a rape victim marry her attacker?  Answer: God.”

“5) Death to the Rape Victim   (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)”

“    If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.”

“    It is clear that God doesn’t give a damn about the rape victim.  He is only concerned about the violation of another mans “property”.”

“6) David’s Punishment – Polygamy, Rape, Baby Killing, and God’s “Forgiveness” (2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB)”

“    Thus says the Lord: ‘I will bring evil upon you out of your own house.  I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor.  He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight.  You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of allIsrael, and with the sun looking down.’”

“    Then David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.”  Nathan answered David: “The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die.  But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die.”  [The child dies seven days later.]”

“     This has got to be one of the sickest quotes of the Bible.  God himself brings the completely innocent rape victims to the rapist.  What kind of pathetic loser would do something so evil?  And then he kills a child!  This is sick, really sick!”

“7)  Rape of Female Captives   (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)”

“    “When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house.  But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive’s garb.  After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife.  However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion.”

“    Once again God approves of forcible rape.”

“8)  Rape and the Spoils of War (Judges 5:30 NAB)”

“    They must be dividing the spoils they took: there must be a damsel or two for each man, Spoils of dyed cloth as Sisera’s spoil, an ornate shawl or two for me in the spoil.   (Judges 5:30 NAB)”

“9) Sex Slaves (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)”

“    When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are.  If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again.  But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her.  And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter.  If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife.  If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.   (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)”

“10) God Assists Rape and Plunder (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)”

“    Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst.  And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city.   (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)”

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Ok that’s this atheists post about rape in the Torah. But does it give concise evidence to prove their point or moslem accusations?

I will attempt to answer this atheists list with a look at the scriptures he or she listed on their website.

“1) Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead  (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)”

This horrific crime is not started in Judges 21. It is started in Judges 19:1-30 and continues through 20:1-48, till it ends in 21:1-25. It is difficult to judge such horrors through modern eyes. This horrific story is not evidence against God but evidence of ancient  Israel’s  sins of immorality and idolatry.

The atheist author of this post no doubt blames God for this horrific story. And yet the philosophy of liberalism, atheism and humanism have not solved the societal problems of crime and rape. In fact pornography has helped make rape another art form.

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“2) Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites    (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)”

The attack on the midianites is written of in Numbers 31:1-54. This portion of the Torah is recorded as ancient history. Can this atheist make a case against modern  Israel  or Jews that follow such as horrific doctrine? No of course not.

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“3) More Murder Rape and Pillage   (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)”

Deuteronomy 20:1-20 is Gods instructions for Israeli warfare during the lifetime of Moses. Despite the distain by this atheist author. God used Moses and his people to destroy those pagan nations around them.

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“4) Laws of Rape   (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)”

As usual this atheist author ignores context and is willing to use shock value in order to make his or her point. In Deuteronomy 22:1-30 we find various instructions under the Jewish Theocracy. Deut 22:1-12 deals with animals, transvestites and farming.

When we read Deut 22:13-21 Deals with marriage. Deut 22:22-30 Deals with adultery and rape.

Does God require a woman to marry her rapist? No he doesn’t.

http://www.mandm.org.nz/2009/07/sunday-study-does-the-bible-teach-that-a-rape-victim-has-to-marry-her-rapist.html

http://www.tektonics.org/af/ancientmores.html

We are judging Gods law by modern means. And that doesn’t work.

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“5) Death to the Rape Victim   (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)”

This section of Deut 22:23-24 deals with fornication. Not rape.

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“6) David’s Punishment – Polygamy, Rape, Baby Killing, and God’s “Forgiveness” (2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB)”

1st and 2nd Samuel is a historical portion of the Torah. When we view 2nd Samuel in CONTEXT we find the following story about King David.

2nd Samuel 11:1-27, 2nd Sam 12:1-31 tells the story of a moral failing of David. He took as a lover another mans wife. She bore his child and that baby died because of illness. He did not rape her. This atheist author evidence is continuing to fail because under context in the Torah his or her claims are falsified.

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“7)  Rape of Female Captives   (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)”

Let’s look at the context of Deut 21:1-23. First Deut 21:1-9 deals with how to bury a murdered person and the animal sacrifice to deal with that sin.

Deut 21:10-21 deals with the issue if a Jewish man was to find a attractive woman taken out of the wars that helped shape the future of Israel. While these ancient activities no doubt offend this particular atheist. I am certain that many cultures during the creation of ancientIsraelcommitted such crimes and sin.

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“8)  Rape and the Spoils of War (Judges 5:30 NAB)”

Again we have to look at the context in the Torah. First this atheist author made a mistake. His or her text is supposed to be from Judges 5:28-30.

Second. This text is part of a song sung by Deborah.

Third. The total history of this judge begins in Judges 4:1-24 through Judges 5:1-31.

As usual this atheist author is offended at the past. When we view the past we can find many offensive actions by cultures and in our modern thinking nothing our ancestors did make any sense.

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“9) Sex Slaves (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)”

As usual this atheist is grasping at straws because he or she is offended by the Torahs past. A Hebrew female slave was not abused as a ‘sex slave’. She was given the choice to be a wife of her master or not.

In any case: slavery, rape, concubine and more are not from God but man.

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“10) God Assists Rape and Plunder (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)”

When we view Zechariah 14:1-21 it is a prophecy of the future. A future attack onIsraelby many nations including atheistic communists, moslems and others. This is not God ordering rape. This is a prediction of horrors to come. Not because of Gods will but mans.

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Was this atheist and his or her moslem friend correct with their accusations? NO of course not. When we look into the context of each Torah Scripture we see that God for whatever reason allowed horrible things to be done.

The actions done by individuals in these stories are not evidence of modern rape crimes conducted by Judaism or Christianity nor does God want his followers to re-enact such sins in his name. It is very easy for atheists and others who have a hatred of their Creator to judge both the Torah and the Christian Bible through modern law and philosophy. And while the examples are disturbing they donot show any specific doctrine that allows Jews to rape women in the modern world.

What of islam and rape, sexual abuse, other types of perversions?

Despite moslem claims that their system is guiltless of violence, criminal actions such as rape, murder, slavery and so forth. I have included links that are evidence that islams system is not guiltless of the very things it accuses others of. Since this moslem has used an atheistic text lists I have included here:

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/index.htm

This is a atheist link that discusses the quran and all its weirdness.

In these next links are atheist and Christian replies to moslems discussing islams own criminality and sin.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/articles/women-in-islam/sexual-slavery-of-women-in-islam/

“MUHAMMAD AND THE FEMALE CAPTIVES”

“by Silas”

http://answering-islam.org/Silas/femalecaptives.htm

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“The Old Testament and Rape”

“Sam Shamou”

h”ttp://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/ot_and_rape.htm

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“Slave-girls as sexual property in the Quran”

“James M. Arlandson”

http://answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/women_slaves.htm

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“MUHAMMAD, ISLAM, AND SEX”

“by Silas”

http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/mo_sex.htm

So is islam guiltless of rape and molestation? I doubt that. Even muslimas have acknowledged that Islamic societies have some SERIOUS problems with how they treat women! See here:

“Islam and Sexual Violence: Marital Rape”

“By Debra Mubashshi… – Posted on June 4th, 2006”

http://progressiveislam.org/islam_and_sexual_violence_marital_rape

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“Wife Abuse in the Muslim Community”

“by  Kamran Memon “

http://www.jannah.org/sisters/wifeabuse.html

http://www.muslimlinkpaper.com/index.php/familty-a-health/1958-wife-abuse-in-the-muslim-community.html

http://www.themodernreligion.com/women/w_abuse1.htm#comm

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“Sexual Harrassment of Muslim women by MUSLIM MEN”

http://www.themodernreligion.com/women/w_harassmuslims.htm

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In Conclusion:

Since neither atheism nor islam have prevented, nor come up with adequate solutions to sexual violence, rape, molestation and so much more. Then their simple minded accusations are nothing more than baseless evidence of their own immorality and inadequate systems.

Neither has atheism, humanism or other ‘ism’s’ done much to curb evil deeds and the lusts that carry foolish men into such actions.

I have attempted to explain away the various texts used by either moslems or atheists to damage Christianity and Judaism. And in doing so I have attempted to refute their accusations and brought forth my own accusations against both their systems and beliefs in a briefer context.


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