My response to rives using John Calvin and Martin Luther quotes.

In the latest may 2012 emails from rives he uses the following writings of John Calvin & Martin Luther to support his Theonomy. His first email is using quotes from John Calvin.

“Blessed and Hallowed by Richard Rives”

Thursday, May 17, 2012 4:50 PM

“Most every student of the Christian faith recognizes the name John Calvin, a Protestant reformer who lived during the Sixteenth Century. Did you know that Calvin considered himself to be a Sabbath keeper?”

“Here’s what he had to say:”

“Nothing can be more pleasing or acceptable to God than observation of the Sabbath and sincere worship …the Lord takes the highest delight in the true observation of the Sabbath. The Sabbath should be for us a tower whereon we should mount aloft to contemplate afar the works of God, when we are not occupied nor hindered by anything besides. It is for us to dedicate ourselves wholly to God…to lay aside our earthly affairs and occupations. Let us not think that the things which Moses speaks of the Sabbath day are needless for us. We must refrain from our own business which might hinder us from minding God’s works… Christians spending the Lord’s day in making good cheer, and in playing and gaming is a mockery and does not honor God…”

“Yes, John Calvin believed that sabbath keeping was an important part of Christianity. Even so, he believed that the “Jewish Holy Day” – the 7th day Sabbath as specified in the fourth commandment – was only a superstition that should be overthrown. When he speaks of Sabbath keeping he is not talking about the 7th day, he is talking about SUNday.”

“Calvin made no pretense. He plainly stated that Christians substituted SUNday, which he called “The Lord’s Day,” for the Sabbath. That is a very important point that most Christian theologians and teachers will go to any length to avoid discussing. Our Creator wrote His fourth commandment in stone and was very specific. The seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord. That will never change.”

“God said to rest on the Sabbath, the seventh day. Calvin said that we should rest on SUNday, the first day. In whom will you place your trust?”

“Earnestly contending for the faith once delivered to the saints; I’m Richard Rives with Just the Facts.”

Next his latest mass email using quotes from Martin Luther.

“Moses He Wrote of Me by Richard Rives”

Wednesday, May 23, 2012 8:11 AM

“In the year 1517, the Protestant Reformation is known to have been initiated, when the German monk Martin Luther, nailed his 95 thesis to the door ofWittenbergchurch. It is commonly thought that the basis of the reformation was ‘sola scriptura’ or scripture only, the authority of scripture, over that of church councils and the concept of Papal infallibility.”

“Even so, today while calling themselves Protestants, mainstream Christianity continues to adhere to pre-reformation church tradition that is in direct opposition to scripture. While reformation did occur in the 16th century, the proclamation of it as being “sola scriptura” or scripture only in nature is a tall tale of theology.”

“When those who wrote the New Testament spoke of scripture they were referring to The Old Testament, yet Luther taught that the writings of Moses do not concern Christians. He enjoyed graven images and did not want to rest on the seventh day. Because of that he had to set aside two of our Creator’s Ten Commandments.”

“Let’s take a look at what Luther had to say:”

“…It is not true that there is no ceremonial or judicial law in the Ten Commandments. Such laws are in the Decalogue, depend on it and belong there. And to indicate this, God Himself has expressly introduced two ceremonial laws, namely concerning images and the Sabbath. We can show that these two parts are ceremonial laws which are also each in its own way abrogated in the New Testament. Now then let us get to the bottom of it all and say that these teachers of sin and Mosaic prophets are not to confuse us with Moses. We don’t want to see or hear Moses. How do you like that my dear rebels? We say further, that all such mosaic teachers deny the gospel, banish Christ and annul the whole New Testament. Now I speak as a Christian for Christians. For Moses is given to the Jewish people alone and does not concern us Gentiles and Christians. We have our gospel and the New Testament. If they can prove from them that images must be put away, we will gladly follow them.”

“Do we really believe the words of the Bible – sola scriptura – scripture only? If so, the writings of Moses should not be overlooked. Christians living in the first century did not have the New Testament. They read the words of Moses in the synagogues every Sabbath day.”

“We have heard the words of Luther. Now let us hear the words of our Savior: “…had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?”

“Earnestly contending for the faith once delivered to the saints; I’m Richard Rives with Just the Facts”

And there you are.

Here are my continued arguments against rives Theonomy / Judaizing.

1 In order to ‘prove’ his claims against Protestant Christianity rives is using old reformers who while alive did help change and challenge the Catholics. They are not the modern Christians Authority. Only Jesus Christ and the Bible are our Authority.

2 The Ten Commandments were only for  Israel  when Moses spoke of them.

3 The Law of Moses is not only the Ten Commandments but a grand total of 613 Commandments that even modern Jews have refrained from using.

4 To break the Law of Moses at any point meant death. How dare modern Judaizers & Theonomists break Gods Commandments by cherry picking them to fit their flawed Doctrines and Theology.

5 While rives has publically claimed that he keeps the Ten Commandments as his ‘morality’ his immoral practice of Judaizing the rest of us in Protestant Christianity to follow his ideology is not winning the lost but creating more un-necessary problems in Christianity. Richard Rives unwillingness to bring forth the unsaved doesn’t make him Christian but another religious fraud.

Yes I’m sure that rives will find more worthless quotes from long dead Preachers to promote his ideas on keeping a form of “Moral Theonomy”. When in reality that rives should be preaching to the lost in his meetings than to keep Judaizing fellow Christians to his flawed philosophy.

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