My response to ‘Ghosts and Spirits Are In The Bible’

My response to Ghosts and Spirits Are In The Bible

09-19-2011 (Posted 12-20-2011)

While I was conducting a search on ‘bing’ I found this characters ideas on ghosts and spirits supposedly connected to the Bible.

http://www.jesusreligion.com/ghosts_bible.html

“Ghosts, Spirits Are In The Bible”

“I write this to show the religious that yes, the bible does contain ghosts, or “spirits.”  I feel it necessary to correct the mis-thinking that religion has created by stating, “ghosts are impossible…because when one dies, they are either in heaven or hell.”  This is incorrect.  First of all, heaven is simply the realm of spirit; and hell is the state of a mind bound by fear created through mis-thinking. Religious doctrines create much of the fear that places people in a self-created hell or prison of the mind. Secondly, ghosts are possible because the spirit realm and physical realm co-exist; yet are on different planes. Thirdly, some ghosts may not be people on the other side; they could be residual energy or thoughts left over from traumatic or emotional past events. The bible is full of “paranormal” activity…why not ghosts?”

 

“Ghosts and spirits are one in the same – they are people on the other side of the grave…in the afterlife, if you will. They are common in scripture, if you look for them mentioned within the bible.  One of the first verses that most are aware of is in I Samuel 28:15, where Saul has a medium, “call up” the prophet Samuel from the other side of the grave:”

 

“And Samuel saith to Saul, Why hast thou troubled me, to bring me up?”

 

“Most christians will bury their heads and come up with an excuse for this scripture that God allowed this for one occasion. Or they may say this wasn’t a ghost but Samuel was resurrected back to life.  Or they may even say that this wasn’t Samuel at all, but a deception from the woman – a trick. Yet, the scripture is very clear that this was Samuel; and as Samuel had died and crossed over to the other side…that would make him a spirit or ghost..  This passage should also plainly show that mediums can have contact with people on the other side.  This medium, whom Saul used, saw many people on the other side, when she was calling up Samuel. One should also note in this verse, that Samuel had maintained his form of an old man wearing a mantel, just like many documented ghost sightings of apparitions, report the ghost to be dressed in “period dress” from their own time era, here on earth.”

 

 

“Moving into the new testament, we see Jesus having “appeared” to many after his resurrection.  To “appear” indicates the idea of manifesting from the invisible to the visible, just as a spirit or ghost might manifest, from the spirit to the physical realm. It is interesting to note that he “appeared” to Simon (Luke 24:34); and he “appeared” to Mary Magdalene (Mark 16:9).  Jesus “appeared” to two of his followers in a different form that was not recognizable to them. What?  I mean they had a conversation with him and still didn’t recognize Jesus physically! Yes, the scripture says:”

 

“Mark 16:12, “…to two of them, as they are going into a field, walking, he was manifested in another form.”

 

“He also “appeared” to the eleven disciples and stood in the midst of them during their conversation (Luke 24:36).  Can you imagine that?  He manifested right before their eyes from the realm of spirit. But what is interesting to note is Jesus’ statement concerning their fear of him “appearing” right before their eyes:”

 

“Luke 24:39 “…handle me and see, because a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see me having.”

 

“Well, at first blush, one might argue, hey, Jesus wasn’t a spirit or ghost because he had flesh and bone. I would have to agree, but I might add that Jesus still was “appearing” like a ghost or spirit might do.  Does flesh and bone “appear” out of thin air?  However, the biggest point might be missed if one does not consider Jesus’ statement further, about not being a spirit or ghost…he was in effect stating that spirits (ghosts) do exist, but that he was not like them!”

 

“This common belief in ghosts is found in another new testament passage, as well.  You may remember Jesus walking on the water towards his disciples who were in a boat on the sea.  The verse in Matthew 14:26 states:”

 

“and the disciples having seen him walking upon the sea, were troubled saying, ‘It is an apparition,’ and from the fear they cried out.”

 

“Apparitions were obviously believed to exist and even by the followers of Jesus who were learning rapidly about the spirit realm from him.  Other people obviously believed in ghosts during Jesus’ time on earth, because they “appeared” in the city of Jerusalem after Jesus’ resurrection:”

 

“Matthew 27:52-53, “and the tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who have fallen asleep, arose; and having come forth out of the tombs after Jesus’ rising, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.”

 

“The writer of Hebrews, (probably the apostle Paul) mentions the fact of spirits being all around us, in Hebrews 12:1,”

 

“Therefore, we also having so great a cloud of witnesses set around us.”

 

“This to me, is confirmation of the spirit and physical realms co-existing with one another, but on different planes.  It is a spiritual truth, that what exists here on earth, must first exist in the spirit realm; for spirit is the life-giving force behind all.  And that spirit is God.  God is life.  The bible proclaims in the Lord’s prayer,”

 

“On earth (physical realm), as it is (first) in heaven (the realm of spirit).”

 

“But there is one last bible passage I wish to share that many overlook that proves the manifestation of spirits from the spirit realm into this physical world. That verse can be found in Mark 9:4, in the famous Mount of Transfiguration passage:”

 

“and there appeared to them, Elijah with Moses, and they were talking with Jesus.”

 

“Wow!  This passage not only proves that spirits can manifest here, but it shows a very important spiritual truth, as well.  Jesus spoke with people on the other side of the grave.  Therefore, those on the other side of the grave can speak to us!  The religious will try and explain this passage away; but the fact remains, it is not only possible for ghosts to exist, but Jesus, who is to be our example, shows us some spirits communicate with us!  Why did Jesus choose only to reveal this truth to James, John and Peter?  To us, this truth has been spoken against by traditional christian doctrine for years.  Yet, Jesus felt it important enough to reveal to these three disciples what was really going on “behind the scenes.”  Jesus seemed to understand quite a lot about what was going on “behind the veil” of this physical world.  Perhaps, we should follow his example and not fear ghosts; but seek to understand the truth of the spirit realm.”

Ok that is the text of this subject on his blog.

Despite this odd teaching we need to look deeper into the subject of ghosts. God was very specific about those who ‘talked with ghosts’ aka necromancy.

Deuteronomy 18:11-12

This was Gods Theocratic law. And those who broke it were killed.

There is no specific Scripture in the Torah or New Testament that indicates that ghosts or human spirits exist outside of Gods control. The author of this article is quite confused on what God has taught his followers about spirits.

Now let’s deal with the texts listed.

1 Samuel 28:1-25. The entire ugly story starts with 1 Samuel 18:1-30 and continues on till 1 Samuel 31:1-13.

Because Saul refused to listen to Samuel he decided to kill David. These choices made God leave Saul as king and chose David.

In order to get some-kind of spiritual guidance Saul chose to seek after a witch and necromancer. Thus he broke Gods laws as I previously mentioned.

Since he has given his opinion about 1 Samuel 28. I will give mine.

In Ecclesiastes 9:5-6, and Ecclesiastes 12:7 we can find evidence that when people die they go before God. While we can toss out multiple theories of the dead’s final resting place we simply are not sure at present.

Now lets look at his Scripture list. The following list are not in order.

“Luke 24:34, Luke 24:36, Luke 24:39”

“Mark 16:9, Mark 16:12, Mark 9:4”

“Matthew 14:26, Matthew 27:52-53”

“Hebrews 12:1”

Let’s start by looking up Luke 24:1-53.

As we can read Jesus Resurrected. But was he a mere ghost? No of course not. Ghosts / spirits on those silly tv shows are invisible and only communicate via EVP or other noises.

Jesus appeared to two of his disciples in Luke 24:13-35. In fact Jesus sat with them and shared a meal with them. That Scriptural fact goes way beyond mere ghosts. Next Jesus appeared to the rest of his disciples in Luke 24:36-49. And taught them further.

Next lets look at his next Scripture list.

“Mark 16:9, Mark 16:12, Mark 9:4”

Lets start with Mark 9:2-13. Jesus did indeed speak to Elias and Moses (KJV). Of what was said is a present mystery. But yet again Jesus did not use occultism to call up Elias and Moses they appeared for a specific reason.

Examples from the internet.

The Transfiguration of Our Lord

http://www.bartleby.com/210/8/061.html

The Transfiguration Matthew 17 1 13

Study By: Allen Ross

http://bible.org/seriespage/transfiguration-matthew-171-13

Next lets look at Mark 16:1-20.

We see another version of Jesus resurrection. And again Jesus speaks to various people. And yet again Jesus is building the Faith of his followers and not trying to scare them.

These examples of Jesus are examples of his power over death. Ghosts / spirits donot have this power.

His next examples are. “Matthew 14:26, Matthew 27:52-53”

In using Matthew 14:22-33 we find a story about Jesus walking on the water. This is not a teaching about ghosts.

Next we find “Matthew 27:52-53”.

In Matthew 27:1-66 details the last hours of Jesus life. The specific ‘proof’ of ghosts according to this articles author seems to backfire when we find that their graves were opened. This seems to indicate that they returned to life. Those Holy people were neither ghost or zombie.

Lastly in “Hebrews 12:1”. We find the following.

“A great cloud of witnesses?”

Well not quite.

Look at Hebrews 11:1-40 is about the many Holy men and women who followed the God of Israel by Faith. Hebrews 12:1-29 continues on that subject.

As we have seen. Jesus nor his disciples TAUGHT anything about ghosts being real. It is the author of this article that has posted false teaching about ghosts in order to further his odd agenda.

Jesus did not teach about ghosts nor taught we his followers to believe in anything outside of himself.

Jesus teaching about the spirit world can be viewed through these Scriptures.

Demons and how to remove them:

Matthew 8:16

Matthew 8:28-34

Luke 4:33-36

Luke 4:41

Luke 10:17-20

Mark 3:10-11

Mark 9:9:25-29

Acts 16:16-18

Acts 19:13-17

To make idiotic claims that God allows human souls to wander this world is illogical and un-Christian. Too bad the author of this post doesn’t realize that.


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