My response to SE’s request to research Richard Rives
Originally I called this post ‘A request to investigate Richard Rives claims’. Since I noticed I had a lot of mistakes I am going to rewrite this post and hopefully make it better.
Back in July 2008 I got a comment on my amateur post “My combined research on Roger J Morneau” by:
“SE” and he or she requested me to…
“Please take a close look at this man’s evidence. Richard Rives is not, and has never been an SDA. Richard was raised in the Baptist church. “
“I will be praying for you as you consider what he presents. “
“The 1611 King James Bible is the truth. God says that all those that do his commandments shall have a good understanding: “
“The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.”
Now I looked at his websites. There is no immediate Biography on this Richard Rives to confirm the claims of the previous commenter. Mr. Rives website doesn’t immediately identify with the SDA organization per say.
However in the following articles on his website we get clues on his theology and doctrines. We also get further clues on what he considers to be “Biblical Christianity”.
Mr. Rives is one of a growing online community of ‘Theonomists’ who believe that they have to keep the Ten Commandments from Moses along with their Faith in Christ. They also claim that modern Christianity is based off of paganism or make similar claims.
Meanwhile I am not the only skeptic of Mr. Rives claims and teaching:
Michael Rood, Sky Angel , Ron Wyatt, & The National Religious Broadcasters
In response to legalist ‘Ark hunter’
Posted: February 13, 2009
1:00 am Eastern
By Keith Manning
Monte Judah a Kabbalist a False Prophet and his False Prophecies
A little internet searching shows Mr. Rives is Author to the following websites:
And the subject of the following articles:
Ark hunter: Christianity packed with paganism
’1st century believers would have never accepted this’
Posted: February 07, 2009
11:15 pm Eastern
© 2009 WorldNetDaily
Christian Apologist ZEITGEIST is Right
Saturday, March 28, 2009
(Of course he covers his @$$ with this reply to Acharya S: )
The internet movie Zeitgeist Part-1 Exposed (video series and text)
Keeping The Law A Reply To Richard Rives
Wednesday, May 12, 2010
Next Lets view a few of his teachings and ministry back ground.
Mr. Rives posts on his website: http://www.toolong.com/ about his ‘teaching’ background.
“I am not a preacher, a ministry, or a nonprofit organization. I am just a person. Because of that we do not receive tax deductible contributions, as do traditional ministries. The sale of our materials is the only way we have to keep this important work going.”
“My family and I write the books, produce and edit the video presentations, make the DVDs, take the orders, and ship the material. We consider it a joy and a great privilege to work for our Creator, and we want to do more in the future. To that end, I would like to ask you to consider the purchase of our resources to share with those in your community. I ask that you contribute to your own community by way of the truths contained in Too Long in the Sun / Time is the Ally of Deceit presentations.”
“For the past two thousand years our “adversary the devil” has been doing everything possible to pervert the truths regarding our Savior and His commandments. As King Solomon once wrote, There is nothing new under the sun. Just as in the Garden of Eden, our “adversary” questions: Hath God said? Truly, Time is the Ally of Deceit; and time is truly of the essence. For centuries believers have thought that they were living in the last days; and they were right. It was their last days, their time in history to tell others about the Messiah of Israel. Today, no matter how we might view the timing of prophetic events, now is the time in which we have been given the opportunity to share the truth with others. While there are countless numbers preaching another gospel, there are only a “few” of us who will stand for the truth.”
Well I don’t know about you but it’s clear that Mr. Rives is not a trained theologian, Minister, or Preacher. This means that he is teaching HIS version of Christianity and his teachings need to be looked at by the online Christian community to see if he stands on Biblical truth Or is a false teacher.
With his website “too long in the sun” he lets us know his doctrinal stands in Theonomy in the following articles. Each article are supposedly chapters from his book. “Too long in the sun.”
His other views on Theonomy and the Ten Commandments can be found here:
“COMMANDMENT KEEPERS WHAT’S IT ALL ABOUT”
“by Richard Rives”
“We are living in extraordinary times. Just as in the days of Isaiah, truth is fallen in the street; and judgment is turned away backward. People have been systematically educated to believe that Biblical precepts are subject to the interpretation of scholars. Educated theologians purposefully continue to present a compromised gospel filled with pagan tradition that never had anything to do with Christ; and, on every front the truths of scripture are arrogantly disparaged while the wisdom of man is exalted and received as authoritative, and without question.”
“Today, it is amazing what is being presented as Christianity and there has never been a more important time in the history of mankind for those called out as servants of our Creator to confront the philosophy and vain deceit that would lead people away from our Savior. The truth has been thrown in the streets as a gesture of religious tolerance and compromise; and while there are countless numbers preaching another gospel, there are only a “few” who will stand for the truth.”
“Acts Chapter eleven tells us that it was in Antioch that the disciples of Jesus were first called Christians, a title found only three times in the Bible. Today most people recognize Christians as those who profess belief in Jesus Christ, yet over the past two thousand years it seems that every conceivable thing has attempted to associate itself with Christianity to the extent that now almost anything can be called Christian without question. Just believe in Jesus and that makes you a Christian. A careful study of scripture proves however that there is more to Christianity than just belief. James 2:19 says that devils also believe, and tremble; and in Luke 4:41 we are told that when Jesus cast those devils out they confessed Thou art Christ the Son of God. Did that make them Christians? Absolutely not!”
“In the Book of Revelation we find a description of saints: they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus; and it is the adherence to those commandments that sets true Christians apart from the world. CommandmentKeepers is an independent, nondenominational, on-line site where commandment keeping believers may submit their articles for publication. Christianity has lost its identity and it is time for Biblical Christians to reclaim a title that is rightfully theirs. That is what CommandmentKeepers is all about.”
Herein lies several problems for Theonomist Richard Rives and his ilk.
1 Jesus gave no SPECIFIC Commandments for his gentile followers to keep the Torah. This includes keeping the Sabbath that Rives propagates.
2 In keeping the Ten Commandments as a moral or salvation doctrine they choose to live not according to the entire Law of Moses but one mans philosophy.
3 To follow the Ten Commandments as Richard Rives ‘borrowed’ from Ron Wyatt, Harold Kupp and various other Theonomists poses a interesting question of Law VS Grace that I doubt either of these website authors are prepared to answer.
Is Richard Rives and other Theonomists Seventh Day Adventists? That is not clear. But what is clear… Is the ideas he gained from his time with Ron Wyatt. It is also noted that Richard Rives has also been in agreement with Michael Rood and others who hold teachings that are considered unbiblical by other Christians.
So to conclude with my investigation.
We can assume the Richard Rives and others mentioned here BELIEVE they are Christian but their doctrine and theology doesn’t come from Jesus but man.